Re: [Denemo-devel] trouble creating parts

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 10:28 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> First of all, I may be 'drawing parts' incorrectly. I see that in the editor 
> itself (not Denemo Print View), there is
> 
> Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts

The help for this command is:

Create three parts from the current staff.

That's hopelessly cryptic. What it means is if you have chords of three
notes in a staff it will split them up into three parts (each part, as
usual in the Denemo Display/Edit Window is on a separate staff).
You don't want this.

> 
> or
> 
> Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts (Treble First)
Help for this is:
Creates a set of parts extracting the highest part first.

Likewise - this just extracts the parts in the opposite order.



> 
> OR in Denemo Print View, there is a 'Part' button.

This typesets the part that the cursor is on in the Denemo Display/Edit
Window. A part may be more than one staff (look for the partname at top
left of the staff).
> 
> In Denemo Print View, when I click the Part button (and my cursor in the 
> Denemo editor is on the corresponding staff), Denemo Print View 
> displays
well, it *typesets* it, it creates the LilyPond syntax for the part and
then runs the LilyPond typesetter on it and displays the result.

>  the part.


> 
> It is at this point that I don't know how to 'edit' the newly created part in 
> the Denemo editor.

To create a part you use Staffs/Voices->Add Staff, or if you want the
part to be on the same staff as one already present (i.e. a voice) you
use Staffs/Voices->Voices->Add Voice
then you populate it with music, and it will be typeset when you click
on one of the typesetting buttons in the Print View (or when you use
File->Print menu commands).



I think the problem may be terminology - separate rhythmic music on one
staff is called VOICEs in Denemo, a PART is all the staffs with the same
part name (e.g. Piano/lh Piano/rh) - usually just one staff, or one
staff with several voices on it.


HTH

Richard

>  I can create a PDF, but when I 'Typeset' the score, 
> nothing seems to happen.
> 
> Conversely, if I go into 
> 
> Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts, it creates a number of new staves in 
> my score, but no part. I'm not even quite sure what it's doing. Here, I'm 
> almost positive that I'm doing something wrong.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:41:23 AM PST Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 21:49 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:30:07 PM PST Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > > > Sorry! There *is* a serious-looking error in the file as you originally
> > > > posted it; near the top there is:
> > > > 
> > > > #(define denemo-top-margin ...for they shall...)
> > > > 
> > > > where the red-highlighting starts.
> > > > 
> > > > it seems that in setting the top margin you inserted the text "... for
> > > > they shall ..." instead of a number (such as 20). I deleted this and
> > > > then ran typeset and got the sort of warning messages I wrote 
> about
> > > > below (they refer to another copy of your file that I extracted by
> > > > tortuous means earlier...)
> > > > 
> > > > It would be good for those margin setting commands to test out 
> the
> > > > syntax for validity before letting you insert things like that, I've put
> > > > a bug report in for this.
> > > > 
> > > > You would normally expect to be able to fix this by re-running the
> > > > margin command, but in this case the bad value persists. To fix 
> your
> > > > score open up Score->Score Properties Editor and delete the 
> TopMargin
> > > > directive. There is a second TopMargin directive, which is (I guess) 
> the
> > > > one where you re-edited the top margin.
> > > 
> > > This worked. But what if I need to edit the new part?
> > 
> > which part is "the new part", and what could stop you editing a part?
> > 
> > >  For example, I think
> > > 
> > > because I chose to 'hide empty measures',
> > 
> > which command are you referring to here? (The best way to be exact in
> > describing a command is to look it up in the Command Center (e.g. via
> > right-clickon the menu item->Open Command Center on this 
> Command) and
> > then copy and paste the description panel.
> > 
> > >  a number of measures don't
> > > 
> > > show up.
> > 
> > "show up" in the Denemo Display or the Print View?
> > 
> > > Is this normal behavior? Or is there something I have done 
> incorrectly?
> > 
> > I'm struggling to understand the problem - perhaps a screenshot of 
> what
> > you have and a description of what you are trying to do? Or create a
> > tiny example of what you find to be problematic?
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > > > Let me know when if you have a problem deleting this bad directive.
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 11:53 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 10:14 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 09:46 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 01:11 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've attached the file.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > you have to compress the file before attaching it to the email.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I've used the list-moderator interface to allow this email through
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > there should be no need to re-send it compressed on this 
> occasion.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The file has now arrived on the mailing list.
> > > > > I've tested out the .denemo file attached to it.
> > > 
> > > > > The full score typesets with error messages in the LilyPond 
> window:
> > > 
> ==========================================================================
> > > 
> > > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
> denemoprintB.ly:
> > > 685:346:
> > > > > warning: unterminated hyphen; removing
> > > > > Bless -- ed __ are __ the poor __ in spi -- rit... Bless -- ed __ are
> > > > > __
> > > > > the meek... __ Bless -- ed __ are they __ that mourn... Bless -- ed
> > > > > are
> > > > > they __ that hun -- ger and thirst __ af -- ter jus -- tice..=2E __
> > > > > Bless -- ed, __ bless -- ed are __ the mer -- ci -- ful... __ Bless --
> > > > > ed __ are __ the __ peace -- mak -- ers, __ the peace -- mak
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- ers. __  jus -- tice... __  __ af -- __ Bless-
> > > 
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:1081:21: warning:
> > > unterminated
> > > 
> > > > > decrescendo
> > > > > 
> > > > >          f-\fermata
> > > > >          
> > > > >                     \decr \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > > 
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:81:79: warning:
> > > decrescendo too small
> > > 
> > > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>  \ff
> > > > > 
> > > > > bes''4:32
> > > > > 
> > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:690:23: warning: cannot
> > > 
> > > resolve rest
> > > 
> > > > > collision: rest direction not set
> > > > > 
> > > > >          \tempo 4=84
> > > > >          
> > > > >                       r1\AutoBarline
> > > > >        
> > > > >        ...
> > > 
> > > 
> ==========================================================================
> > > 
> > > > > ======
> > > > > 
> > > > > The first message is about your lyrics - I'm not an expert on 
> LilyPond
> > > > > lyric syntax - you have doubled hyphens and doubled underscores 
> -
> > > 
> > > should
> > > 
> > > > > these be doubled? Should not the hyphens be attached to the
> > > 
> > > previous
> > > 
> > > > > syllable (i.e. no space)?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second message says you have a decr start with no decr end
> > > 
> > > later.
> > > 
> > > > > The last message is for part writing, where you have more than 
> one
> > > 
> > > rest
> > > 
> > > > > at one moment and have not specified which voice they are in, or 
> if
> > > 
> > > they
> > > 
> > > > > are to be combined (see Staffs/Voices->Voices menu).
> > > > > 
> > > > > However, these are all just Warning messages, and so you *do* 
> get a
> > > > > typeset score.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Putting the cursor in the top staff in the Denemo Display and 
> clicking
> > > > > Part in the Print View also typesets with warning, attached is the 
> PDF
> > > > > created by clicking the PDF button. The LilyPond window shows 
> the
> > > 
> > > > > following warnings in the lower pane in this case:
> > > 
> ==========================================================================
> > > 
> > > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
> denemoprintA.ly:
> > > 36:50:
> > > > > warning: crescendo too small
> > > > > 
> > > > >          g'?2.-\tenuto \decr<>  \p d'4\glissando
> > > > >          
> > > > >                                                  \cr( \!\AutoBarline
> > > > > 
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:81:79: warning:
> > > decrescendo too small
> > > 
> > > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>  \ff
> > > > > 
> > > > > bes''4:32
> > > > > 
> > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > > 
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:163:77: warning:
> > > decrescendo too
> > > 
> > > > > small
> > > > > 
> > > > >          bes'4-\tenuto<>  \f a'4-\tenuto aes'4-\tenuto<>  \mf
> > > > > 
> > > > > ges'4-\tenuto
> > > > > 
> > > > > \decr\AutoBarline
> > > 
> > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:189:139: warning:
> > > decrescendo too
> > > 
> > > > > small
> > > > > 
> > > > >         <>  \f<> ^\markup \italic {"con sord." } cis''16 \cr dis'' e''
> > > > > 
> > > > > fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis''<>  \ff gis''4:32
> > > > > 
> > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarli...
> > > 
> > > 
> ==========================================================================
> > > 
> > > > > ======
> > > > > 
> > > > > the cursor does indeed move to the first of these warnings at 
> Staff 1,
> > > > > bar 15 on the last note. And indeed the crescendo between the 
> d'4
> > > 
> > > (which
> > > 
> > > > > is a d 1/4) note and the following  ees''8 (an e-flat 1/8th) note is
> > > > > rendered as a squashed up line. LilyPond is not clever enough to 
> fix
> > > > > this for you by giving extra space.
> > > > > Searching in the View->Command Center for "cres" I came to
> > > > > 
> > > > > Command: Lengthen Hairpin
> > > > > Inserts a directive to lengthen the following cresc or dim hairpin.
> > > > > Location: ObjectMenu->NotesRests->Markings->Dynamics
> > > > > Internal Name: LengthenHairpin
> > > > > 
> > > > > which may help in this situation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also put the cursor in the Soprano staff and clicked Part in the
> > > > > Print
> > > > > View - this typeset without warning messages - as it involves those 
> __
> > > > > and -- in the lyrics I guess they are all right - the "warning:
> > > > > unterminated hyphen; removing" message above must refer to 
> some
> > > 
> > > other
> > > 
> > > > > verse.
> > > > > 
> > > > > HTH
> > > > > 
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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