Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 20:04, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com> wrote:
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> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 18:16, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.
> > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.p
> > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann <richard@rsha
> > > > > > > > nn.p
> > > > > > > > lus.
> > > > > > > > com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Score
> > > > > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-
> > > > > > > > > > > clicked
> > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu
> > > > > > > > > > > whereas
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0
> > > > > > > > > > (Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas
> > > > > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you
> > > > > > > > > > described,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an
> > > > > > > > > > object.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when
> > > > > > > > > > left-
> > > > > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the
> > > > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away,
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian
> > > > > > > > > > Stretch,
> > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > only with
> > > > > > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working
> > > > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to
> > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting
> > > > > > > > > Scheme:
> > > > > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > > > > appear?
> > > > > > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting
> > > > > > > > > textedit://
> > > > > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme
> > > > > > > > > window
> > > > > > > > > execute
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to get that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp
> > > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column
> > > > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > > indicated
> > > > > > > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link
> > > > > > > > > text if
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > searching
> > > > > > > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3
> > > > > > > > installed
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04
> > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > > > > > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > > > > > > > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the
> > > > > > > > terminal
> > > > > > > > shows
> > > > > > > > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully:
> > > > > > > > Child
> > > > > > > > process
> > > > > > > > exited with code 1
> > > > > > > > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View
> > > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > correctly.
> > > > > > > > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > > > > > > > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > > > > > > > 4. In the Denemo print view
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs.
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the
> > > > > > /tmp
> > > > > > folder
> > > > > > (opened with Frescobaldi).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > > > > > > > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at
> > > > > > > > position
> > > > > > > > 0,
> > > > > > > > i.e.
> > > > > > > > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A
> > > > > > > file  created
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (d-New)
> > > > > > > (d-C)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > would be ideal).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See attached the .ly file created as you asked and exported
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > Denemo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MvmntIVoiceI = {
> > > > > > >          c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
> > > > > > > One of these is actually a special character - an anchor -
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > appears
> > > > > > > in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are
> > > > > > > inserted
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is
> > > > > > > unconditional, so
> > > > > > > there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > appear in column 0. (TAB characters are avoided in the
> > > > > > > output
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > they get interpreted differently by different libraries,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > result
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the rather untidy LilyPond syntax that you see in the
> > > > > > > LilyPond
> > > > > > > view
> > > > > > > :(
> > > > > > > ).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I get the same as you (see attached Denemo_4.png). The
> > > > > > difference
> > > > > > in position appeared when I opened the .ly file in
> > > > > > Frescobaldi.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just opened your Lilypond_example.ly in Frescobaldi version
> > > > > 3.0.0
> > > > > and
> > > > > it gave 9 spaces before the note name. In the attached
> > > > > screenshot I
> > > > > see
> > > > > that Frescobaldi describes this as line: 19 col: 9 Pos:0
> > > > > I don't know what it means by "Pos: 0" but it is the column
> > > > > number
> > > > > that
> > > > > is relevant - were you mislead by that?
> > > >
> > > > Hi, yes, I was mislead by the 'Pos: 0', which I think is related
> > > > to
> > > > the position within a bar (maybe?).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, it would seem that the correct line/column target is being
> > > > > detected
> > > > > by the pdf handling library, so the next question would be "Is
> > > > > the
> > > > > step
> > > > > from LilyPond source back to Denemo Display working?". To
> > > > > answer
> > > > > this
> > > > > can you add another three C's to the score and the place the
> > > > > Denemo
> > > > > cursor in the LilyPond view on line 19 on the last of the C's
> > > > > and
> > > > > then
> > > > > use the left-arrow on the keyboard to move back towards the
> > > > > first
> > > > > of
> > > > > the C's. As the text cursor in the LilyPond window moves over
> > > > > those
> > > > > anchors the position of the Denemo cursor in the Display should
> > > > > shift
> > > > > to the respective note. Is this happening? If not is anything
> > > > > being
> > > > > reported in the terminal?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, this works as you described: as I move the cursor in the
> > > > LilyPond
> > > > window, the Denemo cursor shifts to the right note. Nothing is
> > > > reported in the terminal.
> > >
> > > So we have narrowed the problem down to the stage where you right-
> > > click
> > > on a notehead (hand cursor appearing). I missed something important
> > > when I asked what happens when you click on a note-head in the
> > > Print
> > > View. I should have said right-click, and also I should have asked
> > > what
> > > happens when you left click on a note-head - whether the Denemo
> > > score
> > > starts playing. In both right and left click cases the cursor
> > > should
> > > move to the appropriate note and in the case of right-click there
> > > should be some debug output on the terminal saying:
> > >
> > > Looking at target Note on grob #fwith tag #f ok?
> > >
> >
> > Nothing happens whether I right or left-click, or better, when I
> > right-click I get a pop-up with 3 options: Help for Tweaks, Red dots
> > and crosses (Off/On), Score Size.
> >
> > > If that doesn't appear then executing this in the Scheme Window
> > > will
> > > give a clue.
> > >
> > > (d-InfoDialog (format #f "~s" (d-GetTargetInfo)))
> >
> > This is what I get when I execute this (see attached picture
> > Denemo_5.png)
> >
> > >
> > > At this stage you could press Fn9 to insert a rehearsal mark and
> > > then
> > > right click in the Print View on the rehearsal mark that is
> > > typeset.
> > > The Denemo Cursor should move to the rehearsal mark object in the
> > > Denemo Display and re-executing that Scheme script should say that
> > > it
> > > found the rehearsal mark.
> >
> > Unfortunately nothing happens, the Denemo Cursor doesn't move and
> > re-executing the Scheme scripts gives the same as above (the windows
> > with (#f #f #f).
> > Hopefully I'm not hijacking this thread and my problem is actually
> > the
> > same as the OP's.
>
> Thanks to both of you for your replies
> I'm confident it is the same problem: and putting all your information
> together I think the answer will lie in the versions of Gtk in use. If
> you can run the command
>
> denemo --version
>
> in a terminal for each of your configurations it may shed some light.
> I'm afraid I haven't updated my Debian distro for a good while (I'm
> still on Stretch I think) so it is all too possible that libevince has
> altered its behavior.
>
> My output is as follows:
>
> rshann@debian:~/ denemo --version
> GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
> Gtk versions runtime: 3.22.11, compiled against: 3.22.11,

This is the output I get:

GNU Denemo version 2.5.3
Gtk versions runtime: 3.24.20, compiled against: 3.24.20,

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