Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

[Gregg Levine]

Hello!
I suspect, (And correct me if I am wrong here Bob!) that he was
getting some what annoyed by the questions. I strongly suggest that
you pursue this idea away from the list. And when you've got an
obvious question as to how it relates to the world of SDR then please
contact us. That's my opinion however please do not become annoyed at
me.
--
Gregg C Levine address@hidden
"This signature was once found posting rude
messages in English in the Moscow subway."


On 3/29/06, Matteo Campanella <address@hidden> wrote:
> I'm quite surprised by this response of yours, as it is not exactly
> aligned with the friendly style of the list - I know that to make things
> clear is more difficult than slamming doors, but I like it more.
>
> Maybe I am referring to the BELL 202 erroneously, because I am actually
> trying to implement a modem for 1200 AFSK to use on AX25 on ham vhf band -
> I am not sure about it is BELL202, but I am sure it is encoded the way I
> said, as I have read this on a number of papers, including those from
> TAPR/ARRL Digital Communication Conferences, particularly:
>
> PIC-et Radio:  How to Send AX.25 UI Frames Using Inexpensive PIC
> Microprocessors
>
> by John Hansen, W2FS
> State University of New York
> 49 Maple Avenue
>
> ...
> 3. Packet radio uses a modulation scheme called NRZI (Non-Return to Zero,
> Inverted).  This means that the ones and zeros are not represented by high
> and low states (or tones).  Rather, a zero is represented by a change in
> tone (if it was high, it goes low, if it was low, it goes high) while a
> one is represented by no change in tone.  Together with bit-stuffing, this
> ensures that there will be a tone change at least every five bits, if not
> more often (except for flags).  This helps the transmit and receive timing
> stay in sync.i
>
> maybe the correct name for this mod scheme is NRZI, and I wrongly called
> it BELL202 as I used an MX614 in one of my implementations, that is
> frequently reported as being BELL202 modem.
>
> useless to say, I do not consider anyone an idiot - neither in the list,
> nor in the whole world - that would be the very opposite of the HAM spirit
> you should know very well.
>
> yours truly
> Matteo iz2eeq
>
>
> > Matteo:
> >
> > Normally I do not play the game this way but let me suggest that you do
> > the following thing so we can get beyond this to give people the correct
> > information.
> >
> > Open up Google.  Type in BEL-202, hit enter.  Please tell me WHOSE NAME
> > and DSP assembler code you see on the first several entries and many of
> > the remaining entries.  My code and name are not there by accident as
> > the most referred to pages in the world on BEL-202.
> >
> > The data is not Manchester encoded.  It is not split level in the middle
> > of the bit.  I think your safest bet is to assume that the people who
> > are in this group are not idiots.
> >
> >
> > 100011010... is transmitted as
> > x10010101...
> >
> > The Bel-202 standard allows transmission up to 1800 bps.  If it were
> > encoded biphase or Manchester, the channel would need to be > 3600Hz
> > wide.  This was done back in the ancient days before equalizers, and
> > easy DSP so one could not mitigate for channel edges.  There is no split
> > phase data in BEL-202.
> >
> > Take it or leave it.  I have left this conversation as of now.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matteo Campanella wrote:
> >> 100011010 should become
> >>   1        0         0           0      1    1       0        1       0
> >> space-space,mark-mark,space-space,mark-mark-mark-mark,space-space-mark,space
> >>
> >> with the arbitrary decision on the first bit, that could be either space
> >> or mark, as there is no previous state. space is 1200Hz and mark is
> >> 2200Hz.
> >> I have already encoded this on a DDS based on PWM on a PIC 16F628, but I
> >> had control over REAL time there.
> >> I have just written a block to do the differential encoding, that is, to
> >> obtain the correct -1,1 sequence, but my doubt is how to apply this to
> >> the
> >> freq modulator in order to obtain exactly the two tones I need for mark
> >> and space, and the correct bit timing, as I do not have control over
> >> time...
> >>
> >> MC
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > AMSAT VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats,
> > NJQRP/AMQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR Wrk Grp Chairman
> > Laziness is the number one inspiration for ingenuity.  Guilty as charged!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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