On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Tom Rondeau <
address@hidden> wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Marius <
address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> - To my background there's to say - before you read this - I'm just a
>> software-dev. I have little expertise when it comes to hardware.
>>
>> I support the development of a real-time application that uses
>> 802.15.4 on an AT86230RF Chip. That RF chip is IEEE 802.15.4-2003
>> compliant.
>> It has got a data-rate of 250 kBit/s. Let's say I want to send 10
>> Byte. 2 Bytes CRC are added, and 6 Bytes from the Physical Layer
>> (Preambel + Length Field + Delimeter).
>> So I send 144 Bits (12 Byte PSDU are 12 *8 and 48 Bytes Physical Layer
>> due 6 * 8). Theoretically I get 0,576 ms per transmission using 250
>> Kbit/s: 1/250k*144*10^3.
>>
>> Now... I use my USRP with an XCVR, start the sender, and record some
>> transmissions into cfiles. I plot the Q channel, and calculate the
>> transmission lengh: like how many samples do I see with a high
>> amplitude relative to the sample-rate. That's when the RF chip is
>> active. I get 3,45 ms.
>>
>> So the difference between what I theoretically can assume as TX time,
>> and what I see in reality is abnormally high.
>>
>> My questions:
>> 1.) Can I use an Oscilloscope to find out whether there's signal on
>> IF. The Oscilloscope operates on something like 100 MHz, so I want the
>> down-scaled frequency.
>> I read that the RF frontend down-scales to the ADC. I can pin-point
>> the microcontroller with the chip. Can I also pin-point the USRP2 with
>> the XCVR (or RFX)? I could correlate the state-changes of the RF Chip
>> that way.
>>
>> 2.) I suspect the differences result from state-changes on the RF chip
>> (PLL_ON -> TX). Is anybody aware of a similar performance analysis on
>> Zigbee for real-time applications? As I stated out I'm not a
>> hardware-expert.
>>
>> 3.) I use the Gnuradio Companion, and record from the USRP2 directly
>> into a cfile. Is there any way to apply a filter to be able to
>> automatically detect the start and end point of a high-amplitude that
>> represents sending activity? I tried to use the integrator to lower
>> the amplitude (I'm not interested in demodulation at this point, just
>> tx start and end). But that doesn't work very well.
>>
>> I hope my terminology isn't too crude ;)
>>
>> Best,
>> Marius
>
>
> Marius,
> While I _think_ there is a way to do what you are asking in 1 and 2, I
> really can't remember right now, nor am I at a spot where I can looking into
> it. I'm also trying to think if that's really your best bet for learning
> what you are looking for, but at least it will be educational :)
> As for 3., that's a bit difficult. You can do all sorts of things to detect
> if you have a signal or not. The most agnostic way is to use a power
> detector with a threshold level. We have a squelch block for this.
> Since you know the signal you are looking for, though, you can get a more
> tuned algorithm for signal detection. You should be able to create a matched
> filter and detect if there is anything in the output. That should be (unless
> I'm not thinking clearly right now) the ML approach to detecting if you have
> a signal.
> Tom