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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] 答复: Power control for QAM demodulate

From: Marcus Müller
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] 答复: Power control for QAM demodulate
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 17:55:09 +0100
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Hi Sangqing,

I'm taking the mailing list back into the people who receive your email (it's always a good idea to reply to the list in whole, not to the individual people), so that someone who has a compact example can help you. I'd first of all encourage you to investigate where the problem exactly lies; does it look like synchronization fails, or is it really just an SNR problem that hinders successful equalization, or is maybe the equalizer not up to your channel?

A specific description of your setup (carriers, bandwidth/sampling rate, …) would be helpful.



On 02/18/2017 05:43 PM, Zhao Shangqing wrote:

Hi Marcus,

Thanks so much for your recommendation. Yes, it's my mistake, I just noticed your suggestions and post the same question here. Sorry about that. Again, thanks for your explanation. 

I have read the document about the "OFDM PAPR". I modified the Tx and Rx gain at both transmitter and receiver but still haven't got the correct demodulation. In addition, I also test the signal carrier communication system, rather than OFDM, 16 QAM still not works. At the receiver, I have corrected the phase distortion. But I don't know how to correct the amplitude offset. I know 16 QAM is more like to get errors, but actually, I cannot even get one correct symbol. If you can provide me some existing gnuradio examples about this? 

Best regards,


发件人: Discuss-gnuradio <address@hidden> 代表 Marcus Müller <address@hidden>
发送时间: 2017年2月18日 10:22
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主题: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Power control for QAM demodulate

Hi Shangqing,

I think you forgot to mention that you've already gotten answers to this on usrp-users:

I wrote:

Anyway, yes, 16 QAM is of course a lot more prone to noise than QPSK, when using the same average power. (that's kind of logical – the 16 QAM constellation points are a lot closer together than the four QPSK points)

With any modulation, you'd set the RX gain as high as possible without clipping – and that is a real problem with OFDM. I recommend you google "OFDM PAPR". So, you'd use the same RX gain for QPSK as for QAM modulation.

You'd of course also use the highest possible distortion-free TX gain, for both modulations, again, the same.

So, what you see is exactly what you've learned in digital comms 101 – the closer constellation points are, the more likely it is you get a symbol error. What did you expect?
And Kevin wrote:
Also keep in mind that in case of QPSK, the receiver does not need to correct for amplitude. The receiver only needs to correct the phase distortion caused by the channel since all information is encoded in the phase of the QPSK symbols. 

However, in 16-QAM modulation, information is encoded in both amplitude and phase of the 16-QAM symbols. Now receiver needs to correct both amplitude and phase distortion caused by the channel.

So I am not sure if the receiver algorithm can handle QAM.

So, instead of asking the same question here, I'd recommend you address what you did not understand in the answers you've gotten this far! It'll make it much easier for us to help you.

Sadly, you haven't addressed any of the points we made – neither that the average power is, in contrast to what you claim, the same for QAM and QPSK, nor the additional hardness in demodulating these finer-grained constellations.

Best regards,

On 02/18/2017 04:23 PM, Zhao Shangqing wrote:

Hi all,

I am using Gnuradio and USRP X300. I am implementing OFDM communication using 16 or 64 QAM modulation scheme. I am using the example of OFDM given by Gnuradio, and just changing the payload modulation to 16QAM. I cannot correctly demodulate all the samples, but QPSK works fine. I know QAM has the different signal power. I wish to know if I wish to demodulate the M-QAM signal, how to control the receiving power to calibrate different signals to different powers. 

Best regards,


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