Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] [Freetel-codec2] Why the DMR 4FSK modem is less optimal than David Rowe's 4FSK modem

[Phil Frost]

Wouldn't the ISI largely (theoretically, completely) be ameliorated by trellis decoding? And I'm not talking about FEC, but rather incorporating the ISI into the expected Cartesian coordinates for each symbol.

I did some experimentation with this technique on BPSK31, and I was able to get a little more performance in simulations with a matched filter and trellis decoding than fldigi and PSKCore got with their unmatched filters designed to minimize the ISI. Though in the case of BPSK31 the ISI isn't all that bad, so there less than 1 dB of a gain to be had. Perhaps with DMR there's more potential?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 6:50 AM Adrian Musceac <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi,

In this post: http://www.rowetel.com/?p=4650 David was asking the question why the 4FSK modem used by the DMR standard seemed to be performing so poorly, especially as compared to his ideal 4FSK modem.

I was curious myself, so I implemented both and analysed them using my modified version of Gqrx, known by some people as gqrx-digital.

The results can be seen in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLeJvqrFrS8

As you can see, the DMR modem uses a sensitivity of PI/sps, which leads to a lot of ISI, about 8 dB worth, compared to the optimal 4FSK modem which uses a sensitivity of 2*PI/sps. The reason why the DMR modem does this is twofold:

One is bandwidth efficiency. But the most significan one is the fact that DMR radios use the same FM modulator for both digital and analog voice. Using double sensitivity would lead to analog voice being too wide for standard FM channels in commercial bands.

Of course, for me as a developer, I can create two Gnuradio flowgraphs, so I can use one modulation type for digital, and another one (proper) for analog FM transmission.

Hope this is useful for someone.

73,

Adrian YO8RZZ

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