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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] OFDM_TX_RX


From: farid mihoub
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] OFDM_TX_RX
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 23:59:30 +0100

Indeed

25.05.2019, 22:07, "Marcus Müller" <address@hidden>:

After reading the original paper, you've meant "2D- or 3D-DCT" :)
On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 21:20 +0100, farid mihoub wrote:

 Hi,
 Discrete cosine transform


 25.05.2019, 21:02, "Marcus Müller" <address@hidden>:
 > hi, what's 2DCT_or_3DCT?
 >
 > Best regards,
 > Marcus
 >
 > On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 19:38 +0100, farid mihoub wrote:
 > > My application is to broadcast a video using softcast approach.
 > > Video-->2DCT_or_3DCT-->Floating coefficients-->complex_mapping
 > > -->ofdm_phy
 > > My video quality (PSNR) will depend linearly to my SNR so no
 > > need to
 > > have an adaptive modulation.
 > >
 > >
 > > 25.05.2019, 18:27, "Marcus Müller" <address@hidden>:
 > > > 1- So, you have an SNR of best-case 16 dB; that's not high for
 > > an
 > > > OFDM
 > > > system.
 > > >
 > > > 2- No, there's no power normalization. Hint: you can look all
 > > this
 > > > up
 > > > by actually looking inside these blocks! This would make a lot
 > > of
 > > > sense, since it sounds you don't actually want to use tzhe
 > > OFDM
 > > > blocks
 > > > at all. The whole advantage of the OFDM blocks compared to
 > > just
 > > > doing
 > > > an IFFT of your transmit vector is that you get a header and
 > > > modulation
 > > > scheme.
 > > >
 > > > 3- Not quite sure what "information is linearly related to
 > > complex
 > > > symbols" means? Can you elaborate?
 > > > 3b- A case where you *don't* do FEC is either a non-
 > > communications
 > > > system (i.e. you don't actually want to do OFDM for the reason
 > > of
 > > > transmitting information) or the extremely-bad-SNR case (where
 > > FEC
 > > > makes your BER better). For both cases, the existing OFDM
 > > blocks
 > > > are
 > > > more of an obstacle than a solution.
 > > >
 > > > What are you building? What is your overall application.
 > > Please
 > > > paint
 > > > the bigger picture – it's a bit frustrating to try to help
 > > you, but
 > > > then only get told that "this is not how I want to do it".
 > > >
 > > > Best regards,
 > > > Marcus
 > > >
 > > > On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 18:39 +0200, Marcus Müller wrote:
 > > > > Dear Farid,
 > > > >
 > > > > please always respond on the mailing list.
 > > > > Thank you,
 > > > > Marcus Müller
 > > > >
 > > > > On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 17:36 +0100, farid mihoub wrote:
 > > > > > 1- For the noise : in the TX side the output is in the
 > > order
 > > > > of 2A,
 > > > > > the noise 0.05A.
 > > > > > 2-Second even without noise, the const does not affect the
 > > > > > transmission, is there any sort of power normalization?
 > > > > > 3-For the FEC and the modulation I want to try my custom
 > > > > mapping
 > > > > > where information is linearly related to complex symbols,
 > > and
 > > > > my
 > > > > > application doesn't require error correction.
 > > > > >
 > > > > > Thank you.
 > > > > >
 > > > > >
 > > > > > 25.05.2019, 17:06, "Marcus Müller" <address@hidden>
 > > :
 > > > > > > Hello Farid,
 > > > > > > On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 15:59 +0100, farid mihoub wrote:
 > > > > > > > Hello,
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > In the OFDM_tx, rx examples in gr-digital :
 > > > > > > > 1- Why just a low level of noise affect the
 > > transmission
 > > > > and
 > > > > > > > cause it
 > > > > > > > to stop.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > "low" is relative. It seems it's high enough to cause
 > > packet
 > > > > > > losses,
 > > > > > > iff it's actually the noise.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > 2- in the the Tx output and the Rx input no matter the
 > > > > value
 > > > > > > > of
 > > > > > > > the
 > > > > > > > multiply constant we apply
 > > > > > > > that would not affect our transmission.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > Then it's probably not only the noise!
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > 3- Is there any way to separate channel estimation and
 > > > > > > > tracking
 > > > > > > > from
 > > > > > > > data transmission, sometime I get the error "invalid
 > > > > packet
 > > > > > > > detected!" form the packet parser, also I need my data
 > > to
 > > > > > > > bypass
 > > > > > > > FEC
 > > > > > > > and QAM.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > Um, prior to QAM demodulation there is no data, and
 > > prior to
 > > > > FEC
 > > > > > > decoding there is no information bits, so I'm not sure
 > > what
 > > > > you
 > > > > > > want?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > My purpose is to stream raw complex data to the I/Q
 > > > > > > > components
 > > > > > > > directly.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > Then it seems you don't want an OFDM transceiver but
 > > maybe
 > > > > just
 > > > > > > simply
 > > > > > > a single IFFT? Not quite sure what you have in mind.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > Best regards,
 > > > > > > Marcus
 > > > > > >
 > > > >
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