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Re: GNUStep Window Manager


From: Nuno Donato
Subject: Re: GNUStep Window Manager
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:40:02 +0100
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The thing is, when I'm "using GNUStep" i like to see everything with GNUStep-look, including the window manager. And WindowMaker is probably the one which is actually similiar (big square buttons :p). I'm familiar with PWM, so.. do you use it with GWorkspace? One more thing, GWorkspace always starts the file manager, and if i close it, GWorkspace closes it too.. whats wrong?

Thankx

Ian Jones wrote:
Hi Nuno,

Window managers as with most software are a personal taste thing. I used windowmaker for a number of years before I even heard of GNUstep. It is true that window maker is the 'official' window manager of GNUstep but there really isn't that much more support for it in windowmaker than other windowmanagers, the only thing that has been brought to my attention in the past is that it understands levels of windows which aparently other window managers don't which helps to reduce the focus problems experienced with some other windowmanagers. Window managers that support only sloppy focus for instance are a real pain to use with GNUstep because the menu vanishes as soon as you take your mouse pointer off the application to go to the menu, the solution is to use the right click menu if you like sloppy focus. I'm currently using PWM a tabbed window manager that only supports sloppy focus, it's very minimal and I like the ability to be able to connect my windows together and switch between them without having a multitude of overlapping title bars. Anyway, as far as I'm aware there isn't much development going on with window maker now and with regard to GNUstep I don't see its support getting any better. I think our real hopes and dreams lye with one of the up and comming window managers written specifically for GNUstep, woom, interfaceWM and today we saw the announcement of StepBox which I haven't tried yet.

As far as GWorkspace is concerned if you are going to run it you would be best sticking with the workspaces it provides and not using the windowmaker ones or vice-versa.

AfterStep IMHO is a god-awful thing, configuration is an absolute nitemare and it appears to me personally as window maker done badly. Sorry if that offends any pro-AfterStep ppl but it really is bad!

Currently I'll stick with PWM but it lacks a lot and I look forward to one of the window managers written for GNUstep supporting tabs like PWM does. If I had to choose a none GNUstep window manager again second to PWM I would use window maker, it is a mature window manager and coexists with GNUstep with the least problems.

Regards,

Ian

On 2003-10-21 10:35:07 +0000 Nuno Donato <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to this GNUStep stuff but i'm enjoying it so far.
I'm posting this to try to clear a doubt, Window Maker is like the "official" window manager fo GNUStep, right? So why doesn't it integrate nicely with GWorkspace? If i run GWorkspace i get separate workspaces, that is, if I change from workspace 1 to workspace 2 in WindowMaker, GWorkspace completly disappears. So its like i have 4 workspaces(from GWorkspace) inside workspace 1 of WindowMaker :/
Also, they both seem to draw the desktop/background.

And what do you think of using AfterStep as a wm for GNUStep?

thank you

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