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Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality contr


From: Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
Subject: Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:02:15 +0800

I agree. GNUstep is the way to go. Im looking at it as going beyond unix.

On 2003-10-22 14:51:11 +0800 Chad Hardin <address@hidden> wrote:

> Yes, but it's also a catch-22 situation.  Less people are going to be 
> interested in improving GNUstep if there is no user base.  If there is no 
> user base, what is the point in improving GNUstep?
> 
> Plus, users are not going to accept running ported OS X apps in KDE or GNOME. 
>   The interfaces differ way too much....
> 
> I think there is room to work on everything at the same time.  I also think 
> there is going to be much more interest in GNUstep in 2004.....
> 
> chad
> 
> On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 08:06 PM, Philip Mötteli wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>> Am Mittwoch, 22.10.03, um 04:41 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Adam Fedor:
>>> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 01:22 AM, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
>>>> But to remain at least a little on-topic allow me to ask this question 
>>>> (as a simple user resp. programmer who needs to decide whether to use it 
>>>> or not): where will the GNUstep project be within 12 months (which will 
>>>> be more or less GUI 1.0)? What is the (realistic) roadmap for the GNUstep 
>>>> project anyway?
>>>> 
>>> Well I've thought about that question a lot, obviously, but I don't have a 
>>> really good answer. Most of my goals revolve around the concept of the 
>>> GNUstep Desktop. That is, I can have a lot of individual goals about the 
>>> GNUstep development platform, but it's hard to know what's really 
>>> important without a consensus of what the "reference" GNUstep Desktop 
>>> would look like. Will it be "all GNUstep", with our own Window Manager, or 
>>> do we need to give up our small town mentality and try to integrate better 
>>> with KDE and/or Gnome. What are the really important things that people 
>>> want to accomplish with GNUstep?
>>> 
>>> I don't much care which way it goes.  I've been working on GNUstep for 
>>> over 10 years now, and I just keep going for the fun of it, not because I 
>>> have any aspirations that it will become some wildly popular, unbeatable 
>>> project. My one hope is that it will be useful before it becomes obsolete 
>>> :-)
>> 
>> I dare adding my 2c… For me, Gnustep are first of all the libraries. Not a 
>> filemanager, nor a desktop, nor a system, nor development tools (apart of 
>> the libraries, obviously). So I personally regret a lot, that so much 
>> effort is spent in things, that are not especially unique, but are already 
>> implemented, maintained and evolved by so many others. I mean something 
>> like GDL2 is unique and just "insanely great", isn't it? But ProjectCenter 
>> compared to KDevelop is just way, way behind and unfortunately will 
>> probably never be even half the way of KDevelop. Though I would prefer 
>> having ProjectCenter, Gnustep-Filemanager, Gnustep-Desktop,… I just think, 
>> that we anyway don't have the resources to catch up with those people. So 
>> why not spend these resources more into what makes Gnustep unique and just 
>> invest, what we absolutely need, in order to reuse (KDevelop, KDE, Gnome,…) 
>> what others already have done? I mean the idea behind OO is reusability, 
>> not reinvent  the wheel over and over again?
>> Don't misunderstand me: me too, I would prefer having a complete 
>> Gnustep-system, but we just do not have the needed resources for it, I'd 
>> say.
>> 
>> So in my eyes, the most important things would be:
>> 1. Complete the already offered libraries. Especially in GDL2, where a lot 
>> is missing.
>> 2. Debug them.
>> 3. Improve the Windows port! (This is the second unique part of GS: Cross 
>> platform)
>> 4. Implement some plug-ins or other ways to make KDevelop or any other well 
>> maintained development tool, compatibel with Gnustep.
>> 5. Dito for a desktop environment. Preferably KDE.
>> 
>> Or to attack the same problem from another point of view: Why might 
>> somebody move to GS? I don't think many people do that because of a 
>> filemanager or a desktop. Especially not now and the future won't change 
>> that, because we just do not attract enough people so far to push such a 
>> project. I think the main reason, why GS might be used in the future, is 
>> because software companies, mainly from the Apple world, will want to 
>> sell/use their software on three platforms: MOSX, Linux et all. and 
>> Windows. This is a tremendous opportunity. The other reason, I can imagine, 
>> is that somebody knows, that OpenStep has great development libraries 
>> though unfortunately the rest of the development tools are missing…
>> 
>> Now of course, why I just don't do it myself? I would love to do it, but 
>> how do I survive? I'm doing a PhD without a boursery or any savings – and I 
>> just can't find a job in the GS world. There's just no time at all left. 
>> But I would love to!
>> 
>> 
>> Just my 2c!
>> (another) Phil
>> 
>> 
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