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Re: Does anyone else find the main site confusing?


From: Thom Cherryhomes
Subject: Re: Does anyone else find the main site confusing?
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:13:35 -0600

I want to second the fact that the handling of the web-site has been
extremely sub par... With the webmasters being very much out of touch
with the community.. MJ Ray's responses to Gregory's questions, are in
my opinion, very unprofessional,and extremely brash...

If I were one of the GNUstep higher-ups, honestly, I would be
extremely embarrassed at the whole situation.

-Thom

On 9/17/05, Gregory John Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:
> MJ,
> 
> --- MJ Ray <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > Gregory John Casamento <address@hidden> wrote: [...]
> > > I would find it very confusing that the "Downloads" section doesn't 
> > > contain
> > the
> > > current releases, but the links on the front of the page do (if so
> > shouldn't
> > > the other link be called "additional downloads").
> >
> > That's because you (gcasa, right?) updated the front page news
> > and didn't update the Downloads page. I think I've fixed it
> > now. Usually these things break because no-one spotted it. If
> > you spot it, please tell us. If you broke it, fix it.
> 
> I admit I have forgotten to update that on occasion. :)
> 
> 
> > > I am constantly telling people to go the the site to show them GNUstep and
> > one
> > > of the things which always trips them up is "where can I read about
> > > Gorm/ProjectCenter/etc etc."  They always click on the link on the top of
> > the
> > > screen.   Little do they know that it's the link for each release in the
> > "News"
> > > section which points the the Gorm/ProjectCenter/etc. page.   This is
> > confusing.
> >
> > What link on the top of the screen? Both "Introduction" and "Developers"
> > link through to the Gorm/ProjectCenter/etc page.
> 
> What I'm referring to is I feel that the "Current Packages" section, at the 
> top
> of the webpage is unintuitive.   If I were a new user I would find the fact
> that the links cause me to download the package directly and that the *news*
> items cause me to go to the page which describes the app.
> 
> The news items should be just news items, not links to the information page
> about the app.  The links at the top in "Current Packages" should provide the
> user with another page which shows information about the app, and also allows
> them to view the annouce and to download the app itself.  Every person I have
> directed to the page clicks on those top links thinking that it will take them
> to an information page, instead they get a tar.gz dumped in their lap which
> they may or may not want.
> 
> The first time I visited the site redesign, when it was first done, I had
> trouble navigating because I found the new design to be confusing.  The new
> 
> > I know everyone would like their application to be the first link on
> > the first page, but it's neither possible nor logical to do that.
> >
> > > Can we please do something about this?   Even *I* get tripped up by this
> > > sometimes since it's relatively unintuitive in my opinion.
> >
> > Yes. Stop posting to discuss and start mailing address@hidden
> > - it will get fixed lots sooner that way.
> 
> This was a general question requiring some concensus amoung the community. The
> discuss list was the appropriate place.  If you have a problem with that, 
> email
> me directly and we can talk about it.
> 
> Whether you like it or not, website issues WILL be discussed here, so you'd
> better get used to it.
> 
> > > I believe what we need to have is something like has been done on GAP.
> > [...]
> >
> > WTF is GAP?
> 
> http://www.nongnu.org/gap
> 
> A few apps have been announced here, in case you weren't paying attention.
> 
> > --
> > MJR/slef
> 
> Later, GJC
> 
> Gregory John Casamento
> -- CEO/President Open Logic Corp. (A MD Corp.)
> ## Maintainer of Gorm (IB Equiv.) for GNUstep.
> 
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