Re: These NeXTbuntu guys

[Andreas Höschler]

Hello Chris,

> > • If an app hangs Window Maker is dead. No chance to start 
> > Terminal.app to
> > kill the application. This is not acceptable.
>
> Agreed, however, if any window manager hangs you're in deep shit 
> anyway.

I assume the corresponding system on a Mac is multi threaded. If I try 
to start an app from the dock there and it hangs I have no problem to 
open the application list and kill it. I can't do that with Window 
Maker.

> > • As far as we know there is no nice GNUstep application yet to kill 
> > a bad
> > process (Terminal.app + kill ... is no option for enterprise users)
>
> If you're running Etoile's MenuServer, check the Etoile Menu (the 
> little flower).
> There's an entry 'Applications' that will let you select and kill any 
> GNUstep-related application.

We run EtoileMenuServer.app. I just checked the flower -> Applications 
-> Application List, but selecting this menu item gives me nothing. I 
not even get an error message on the console!? As you might know we are 
on Solaris. :-)

> > • Although it is said that Copy & Paste  (at least for text) works 
> > between
> > X-apps and GNUstep apps. I cannot confirm that. My collegue is able 
> > to copy
> > from Firefox to TextEdit.app, I am not (on the same machine). We have 
> > not yet
> > found out why. So I can't confirm that this works generally.
>
> Do you (your account) run gdnc and gpbs upon login?

I have no idea where or by whom gdnc and gpbs are started. But after we 
login with Window maker we have both daemons running. I did "ps -Af | 
grep gpbs" and got

 ahoesch 22470     1   0 15:25:35 ?           0:00 
/opt/GNUstep/System/Tools/gpbs --daemon

After killing this daemon copy & paste between Firefox and TextEdit 
started to work. I did the ps again and got

 ahoesch 22472     1   0 15:25:35 ?           0:00 
/opt/GNUstep/System/Tools/gpbs -GSStartupNotification GSStartup-GPBS 
--daemon

gpbs was restarted with an additional option and obviousl ythis option 
is important for Copy & Paste to work. Weird! But I am glad it works 
now. One step further to a working GNUstep based desktop. Thanks!


> >         How much work would it be to write a GNUstep wrapper for Firefox
> > (Objective-C++)?
>
> A wrapper around Gecko? You do not want to even think about it.
> But there's Flock and Camino.
>
> Though both are a no-go if you want to have your system clean of GTK.
> I rather break my teeth by porting WebKit...
>
> > so I think one could live with this one alien (next to Star Office) 
> > for a
> > while if at least copy & paste between Firefox, Star Office and 
> > GNUstep apps
> > really worked (please let me know what I could try to get this 
> > working on my
> > account).
>
> Drag'n'Drop of text does work (just tried with Firefox and TextEdit)

This does not work for me, but I can live with that now that copy & 
paste works. I don't like the concept of dragging text anyway.

Regards,

  Andreas