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Re: These NeXTbuntu guys

From: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Subject: Re: These NeXTbuntu guys
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:18:01 +0200

Hi Andreas, long time no see ...

Am 29.08.2006 um 12:58 schrieb Andreas Höschler:

I'm all for cooperation. However, that doesn't mean
beginning a dialogue with a gesture of submission.
Our intent was not to ignore GNUstep. I agree, our
first contact was more like a fender bender.
But clearly, GNUstep is not ready for prime time, not
after 10 years of hard work and having access to all
kinds of legacy code.

This is quite incorrect. In fact it depends on what you consider "GNUstep", eg gnustep-base is very read for prime time for a very long time. And in use in realworld enterprise systems.

Not only base! We have a full-featured database application running in a real enterprise (base, gui, back). There are a few issues, but with some patience we have always been able to make a downloaded cvs-tree working reasonably enough for real world business applications. The look & feel was a problem indeed, but with Etoile this issue was addressed nicely and we are confident that this will solve the customer acceptance issue.

However, we are still in the process of assembling a desktop that at least comes close to what can be found on a Mac. Right now we are using Window Maker (has Azalea a dock? If so we never found out how to get it to work), EtoileMenuServer.app and our own Finder.app (GWorkspace does not play nicely with EtoileMenuServer and has no thumbnails in the browser) and thus got an acceptable working environment for the first time. However, there are still (too many) issues.

• If an app hangs Window Maker is dead. No chance to start Terminal.app to kill the application. This is not acceptable. • As far as we know there is no nice GNUstep application yet to kill a bad process (Terminal.app + kill ... is no option for enterprise users) • Although it is said that Copy & Paste (at least for text) works between X-apps and GNUstep apps. I cannot confirm that. My collegue is able to copy from Firefox to TextEdit.app, I am not (on the same machine). We have not yet found out why. So I can't confirm that this works generally. It would be nice to have a GNUstep based browser (better integration) but I see that this is a major task

How much work would it be to write a GNUstep wrapper for Firefox (Objective-C++)?

That already exists:

http://www.caminobrowser.org/ is a fully featured Cocoa wrapper for the gecko engine (firefox)

and the folks there are at the progress to iron out some obstacles that would hinder the port to GNUstep: getting rid of remaining Carbon widgets (in the HTML view) and base it on Cocoa using Cairo (which GNUstep should be able to use).

Check out http://www.caminobrowser.org/development/ and http:// forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=12 if you want to contact the developers

so I think one could live with this one alien (next to Star Office) for a while if at least copy & paste between Firefox, Star Office and GNUstep apps really worked (please let me know what I could try to get this working on my account).

I am swapping out the rest of my thoughts in a separate mail [GNUstep (desktop) for enterprises].



greetings, Lars

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