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Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard


From: Gregory John Casamento
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:03:04 -0800 (PST)

Tim,

I think you're right on a lot of points.   GNUstep's support on Windows is 
suffering at the moment.   I would like, if possible to make an MSI for the 
current release of the core libs as well as Gorm and PC.   Windows users have 
complained in the past about issues getting it set up.

I also like the idea of the blog.   The blog would show that the community is 
still alive to the outside world.  BTW... if we're going to do a blog... let me 
make a suggestion.   Wordpress is much better than blogger.com.   From 
experience, blogger.com allows waaay too much comment spam.

Later, GJC
--
Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc 
# GNUstep Chief Maintainer

----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Kack <address@hidden>
To: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:51:23 AM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard

Hi all,

I know that this has been said a million times, but I believe that we
need to focus a bit more on shaping GNUstep for Windows platform.
Without tools like ProjectCenter and Gorm feeling native I think
developers will turn away - they cannot produce applications that
looks good enough.
GNUstep on Linuxes, BSDs and other unix alike platforms are pretty
complete for the server market.
So here is what I propose we should do to attract people and interest:

To attract more developers on the Windows side we could start a
developer diary (i.e blog) with "Oh, by the way - we just added
another platform" slogans.
Acknowledging that the Windows support is not optimal and show how we
work on fixing it.
GNUstep.org is way too quiet currently - I find myself seldom checking
it and with hosted developer blogs I think we attract more people.

Another idea is to attract developers for web content or serversside
applications.
There are several web frameworks that enables development environments
or rather "web application concepts":
* LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python)
* Ruby on Rails
* GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, and Smalltalk)
* Zope
etc etc.
I would like to get the libraries such as GSWeb, GDL2 and JIGS to work
on Windows (I am currently trying to set that up now).
We could then do a consistent portable GNUStep Server Frameworks).

Thanks for reading.

Best regards,
Tim

On Nov 9, 2007 3:45 PM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
<address@hidden> wrote:
>
> Am 09.11.2007 um 12:41 schrieb Markus Hitter:
>
> >
> > Am 09.11.2007 um 10:23 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
> >
> >> "GNUstep - code differently" (maybe  even something ObjCish:
> >> [GNUstep code: @"differently"];)
> >
> > Ahem. Typically, a developer doesn't want to learn something
> > entirely new but stay with current skills:
> >
> > "GNUstep - everybodies Mac"
>
> no, better not: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mac
 ;-)
>
> >
> > "GNUstep - Cocoa revisited"
> >
> > "GNUstep - Cocoa opened"
>
> if so maybe better "GNUstep - free Cocoa" ("Cocoa free" could lead to
> a misunderstanding like "100% fat free". I'd also like "GNUstep -
> free as in Cocoa" because of the "free as in beer" phrase, but maybe
> that's to geeky). Then again, how many people know about Cocoa (I
> came across a lot of people - who call them selfes "Open Software
> Developers" that never heard of Cocoa. The "code differently" was
> mainly a pun at the "think different" campaign of Apple. Also the
> emphasis on "code" was important to me since "GNUstep is a cross-
> platform, object-oriented framework for desktop application
> development" which is to long for a phrase.
>
> >
> > "GNUstep - Mac free"
> >
> > "GNUstep -
> >
> >> - an easy installation and setup process for GNUstep is essential
> >> in my opinion. It must be easy for the curious "chance customer"
> >> to get an experience of GNUstep.
> >
> > Most *BSD and Linux distributions come with decent packaging
> > systems these days. ubuntu isn't that bad in this regard, but
> > currently comes with base-1.13, and gui-0.11. This is several
> > versions behind, IIRC. Etoile is missing entirely (just checked).
> > Ideally, there'd be gubuntu or etoile-ubuntu next to ubuntu,
> > kubuntu and edubuntu.
>
> There already was a LiveCD of Étoilé which was based on Ubuntu (I
 did
> some bug testing with it) Sadly a final version got never released
 :-(
>
> >
> >
> > Markus
> >
>
> regards,
>
>         Lars
>
>
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
> > http://www.jump-ing.de/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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