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Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard

From: Aria Stewart
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:58:42 -0700

- an easy installation and setup process for GNUstep is essential in my opinion. It must be easy for the curious "chance customer" to get an experience of GNUstep.

Most *BSD and Linux distributions come with decent packaging systems these days. ubuntu isn't that bad in this regard, but currently comes with base-1.13, and gui-0.11. This is several versions behind, IIRC. Etoile is missing entirely (just checked). Ideally, there'd be gubuntu or etoile-ubuntu next to ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu.

I think that's a really excellent primary goal, and a long-term one. Getting a whole system functional, and being complete enough to feel good releasing it as a potential primary-use operating system for people is work of exactly the sort that needs to get done. ubuntu's a great base for it, too.

As far as marketing, documentation and cohesivity go, I can point out a frustration -- I've been a member of this mailing list for years now, done some ObjC coding, maintained packages of the base Gnustep components for my distribution -- and I had no idea what Etoile is until just now. I'm not sure what this is pointing out, but it's a problem. Things are so fractured that keeping up isn't possible.

Making gnustep.org be an incubator for ~all Gnustep projects the way the Gnome project does, with relatively open CVS access, unofficial modules in their version control, and just being a central repository, and have inclusion in the main Gnome distribution being a goal for a lot of developers does a lot. It's fostering a lot of community there, and Gnustep seems to be a lot of projects that live on a single author's personal web page, move between sites with no warning, and disappear often. Fixing that would help immensely.

Fixing that would also change the nature of the gnustep project in a similar fashion as creating a Gnustep variant of ubuntu: Full system usability, in an inclusive rather than a "just a base" sense.

My two cents. Someone please find me a clone so I can devote a copy of me to making things reality, too, eh?


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