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Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard

From: Thom Cherryhomes
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:36:10 -0500

GSWeb has been pretty much the brain-child and pet of Manuel Guesdon
and the guys at OrangeConcept, who wrote it for their own purposes,
and build a commercial piece of software on it (which is crap, but i
digress.), They really don't give a damn about anyone else using it
but them.

(it's also the same situation with our EnterpriseObjectsFramework
Equivalent...very sad.)

Yes, I am being instigatory, if for no other reason than for those
application developers to come and speak to us.


On Nov 18, 2007 12:42 PM, David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2007, at 13:45, Helge Hess wrote:
> > On 10.11.2007, at 20:11, Jesse Ross wrote:
> >>> To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any "killer app" Ruby
> >>> or Rails provides.
> >> Just to clarify, Rails _is_ Ruby's killer app. Rails is what
> >> propelled Ruby onto the shelves of every bookstore I can think of;
> >> it's what made people take a closer look at Ruby.
> >
> > I strongly disagree. Rails itself became interesting to users due to
> > the "web 2.0" applications which got built on top of it, eg
> > Basecamp, not by itself. Only _then_ people started to look what
> > those apps got built with and started to do own ones. Well and
> > simple apps are simple to do, simple to deploy on the internet and
> > show everyone, and two weeks later you have da hype just because of
> > a:hover ;-)
> >
> > Interestingly those "killerapps" were not even killerapps due to RoR
> > (after all the source of those apps isn't even available!) but much
> > more because of Prototype/Scriptaculous and good web-/appdesign (the
> > latter btw also worked well for Plone).
> > ("RoR is that web framework which allows me to do yellow fades and
> > drag'n'drop" is the common theme and obvious nonsense ;-)
> I'm a bit late replying to this, but is GNUstepWeb still alive?  I've
> tried to use it a few times, including just now and found:
> - There is no tutorial at all.  The documentation (and I use the term
> in the loosest possible sense) says 'read the Apple WO4.5 docs.'
> Unfortunately, these all talk about using WebObject Builder, a GUI
> tool that doesn't appear to have a GSWeb analogue (maybe there is one,
> but nothing I could find told me about it) and so are completely
> useless.
> - The example code is confusing at best.  It does weird things like
> implement classes which contain nothing but methods which do nothing
> except call the superclass implementation.  Presumably this is done
> for a reason, but I have no idea what it could possibly be.
> - The web page hasn't been updated in some years.  Checking again now,
> it appears that the site now redirects to an almost content-free page
> on the GNUstep Wiki.
> The documentation for Seaside is pretty lacking, but I could make a
> simple web app using it quite quickly and then play at extending it.
> With GNUstepWeb I simply have no idea where to begin.  Seaside also
> has some really nice integration with Scriptaculous, which makes it
> easy to produce shiny-looking web apps.  Is there any equivalent for
> GSWeb?  I would love to be able to recycle model objects written for
> GNUstep and just bold on a new GUI to turn a desktop app into a web
> app, and this could be a killer app for GNUstep, but after reading
> what passes for documentation with GNUstepWeb I still have no idea if
> this is possible.
> David
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