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Re: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard


From: Thom Cherryhomes
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:22:29 -0500

Manuel,

Gee, your responses are one hell of a cop-out.

What about for those of us who don't have an 8 year old copy of
WebObjects 4.5 to start off with? tough shit?

again, tools for your own little world, and I'm of the opinion that
the code should just be removed from the GNUstep tree because of its
sheer uselessness to everyone except a few who have tools that ARE NOT
FREE SOFTWARE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

-Thom


On Nov 23, 2007 1:15 PM, Manuel Guesdon <address@hidden> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:56 +0000 David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
> DC >| I'm a bit late replying to this, but is GNUstepWeb still alive?  I've
> DC >| tried to use it a few times, including just now and found:
> DC >|
> DC >| - There is no tutorial at all.  The documentation (and I use the term
> DC >| in the loosest possible sense) says 'read the Apple WO4.5 docs.'
> DC >| Unfortunately, these all talk about using WebObject Builder, a GUI
> DC >| tool that doesn't appear to have a GSWeb analogue (maybe there is one,
> DC >| but nothing I could find told me about it) and so are completely
> DC >| useless.
>
> You're partially right: WO docs are usefull to understand concepts
> but GNUstepWeb is barebone frameworks without WO Builder.
> If you have WO 4.5, you can start playing with WO Builder to begin and
> next use GNUstepWeb.
>
> DC >| - The example code is confusing at best.  It does weird things like
> DC >| implement classes which contain nothing but methods which do nothing
> DC >| except call the superclass implementation.  Presumably this is done
> DC >| for a reason, but I have no idea what it could possibly be.
>
> You have 2 examples in GNUstepWeb tree:
> Examples/hello/
> Testing/DynamicElements/
> Examples/WebBookStore1
>
>
> DC >| - The web page hasn't been updated in some years.  Checking again now,
> DC >| it appears that the site now redirects to an almost content-free page
> DC >| on the GNUstep Wiki.
>
> Yes, David Wetzel submitted me the idea to make gnustepweb.org redirecting to 
> it because there was near no content on gnustepweb.org.
> http://www.gnustepweb.org can be restored and author rights given to anyone 
> which like to add rticles, documentations,...
>
>
>
> DC >| The documentation for Seaside is pretty lacking, but I could make a
> DC >| simple web app using it quite quickly and then play at extending it.
> DC >| With GNUstepWeb I simply have no idea where to begin.  Seaside also
> DC >| has some really nice integration with Scriptaculous, which makes it
> DC >| easy to produce shiny-looking web apps.  Is there any equivalent for
> DC >| GSWeb?  I would love to be able to recycle model objects written for
> DC >| GNUstep and just bold on a new GUI to turn a desktop app into a web
> DC >| app, and this could be a killer app for GNUstep, but after reading
> DC >| what passes for documentation with GNUstepWeb I still have no idea if
> DC >| this is possible.
>
> I don't know seaside :-)
> On GNUstepWeb, until someone make some docs, the easiest way is
> probably to play with WO Builder 4.x and next to play with gsweb
> examples.
> Anyway, I think the learning time for gsweb+gdl2 is greater than the one
> for starting with php/mysql. But, IMHO, audience and  target projects are
> not the same.
>
> Manuel
>
>
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