Re: Request for update and/or release of GDL2 and Renaissance

[Sebastian Reitenbach]

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 13:59 CET, David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org> 
wrote: 
 
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 12:47, Markus Hitter <mah@jump-ing.de> wrote:
> 
> > - GNUstep puts much emphasis on manual installation.
> 
> Not true.  We're happy to engage with packagers.  It is true that we aim to 
> make manual installation easy, because packages are useless to GNUstep 
> contributors, who (obviously) work from trunk and if we want to encourage 
> contributors then we need to make it easy to set up a development environment.
> 
> > - It isn't really packageable, because GNUstep insists on a
> > framework/bundle centric installation, while about all non-Mac-OS-X
> > unices insist on a FHS-type file layout.
> 
> Not true.  The FreeBSD packages use the GNUstep layout inside 
> /usr/local/GNUstep and I believe the OpenBSD packages do something similar.
> Debian is the only system I know of that insists on FHS layout for packages, 
> although RedHat prefers it.

OpenBSD packages are using something very similar to the FHS layout and it 
works great. I personally just find the GNUstep layout odd, so I'm
very happy that there is this FHS layout, and that's the reason the OpenBSD 
packages are setup the way they are setup.
I think the FHS layout is nowadays even the default layout, if I'm not too 
mistaken.

> 
> > - Attempts to improve the latter regularly result in bitter fights and
> > long flame wars.
> 
> Patches to improve the latter are always welcome and I don't recall any being 
> rejected.  Most GNUstep developers prefer the sane layout, but if a 
> particular distribution has a policy of forcing files to be scattered all 
> over the system then we aim to provide support for them.  
> 
> > - Quite a number of smaller issues with the build system add on top of
> > the latter two.
> > 
> > - The possibility to install GNUstep apps without changing the entire
> > desktop is almost ignored, which results in close to zero users.
> 
> Yes, obviously the reason that we put a lot of time and effort into things 
> like the GNOME theme and the Unity menu integration is that we don't want 
> people to use GNUstep without changing their entire DE.  


But this discussion already diverges away from the initial topic of having
new releases for at least a couple of the non-core GNUstep softwares.

At least Richard is doing a very good job at releasing the webserver, 
webservices
or performance libraries fairly often, also after little bug fixes or minor 
changes.

Having more frequent releases of other non-core softwares would be a good thing.
That would give people the easier opportunity to use it, or even think about 
developing
apps against it. Then when bug reports come back, then they are likely not to be
against outdated version etc.

Sebastian


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> David
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