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Re: elementary OS
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Riccardo Mottola |
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Re: elementary OS |
Date: |
Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:40:39 +0100 |
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Hi Liam,
Liam Proven wrote:
You can keep your patronising, smug and superior "there is no argument
here". Yes, there*is* argument here. If I want to buy a house, or a
car, or a hi-fi, I am perfectly within my rights to criticise the
design of existing houses, cars or hifis; I do not need to be able to
build one myself to point out the flaws in existing units.
In fact, a lot of commercial products frustrate me. Few cars are done to
specs I like... and no commercial OS or Environment is done how I like,
this is why I work on GS.
I am a technical writer and journalist, with a sideline in
consultancy. I test and evaluate computer systems, especially
software, and write about my discoveries for others to read.
I have tried to install and built GNUstep environments more times than
I can remember now. I have built them out of Ubuntu packages from the
Ubuntu repositories. GS ignores this, but that is how people try out
Linux desktops in the real world. The result is appalling, barely
works and crashes every few minutes. It works like an alpha version
assembled by a couple of amateurs or students in their spare time in a
few months, not the end result of decades of work.
Sadly I need to agree. I can get GWorkspace on debian crash with two
mouse clicks. Fine. It took me several nights to figure out that bug,
fix it and release a new version. I opened a bug report to debian that
their version is outdated. What should I do more?
I think I did what was in my duties, actually I expanded my duties by
taking over GWorkspace and saving it from total bit-rot.
Thus, redirect your anger to Debian and Ubuntu.
I came here to talk about this. I was told I was doing it all wrong
and that those packages were out of date.
So, I tried again using Philippe Roussel's packages.
I had to throw away my test build and start over 4 times before I got
it working, using Saucy, Raring, Quantal and finally Precise.
I recently installed GNUstep on "fresh" machines by compiling from
source. i did that on Debian and on OpenBSD. The effort was relatively
painless. I configured, when I got a blocking error about a dependency
either disabled it or installed it. I cycled a couple of times and
voila, everything was installed and running.
It is not prefect, it is not sooth as it should some integration and
polish is lacking. But it doesn't crash in your face. So, please, stay
to the facts and no trolling.
Of course, if you don't want to "follow" what GS standard is but
configure on your own, then you are on your own. But the stuff works out
of the box on most linux and BSD systems and even solaris.
Well, no, that is not how it works. I am not a programmer; I have not
programmed since the 1980s and do not wish to relearn now.
It's your choice, but you don't need to program if you ant to contribute.
When I say GNUstep is badly lacking, a useful response is not "well go
fix it then", it is, "oh dear, tell us more, what needs fixing?"
I have such a long list of stuff to fix and implement, it is not even
fun. When I seek help, I'm often alone or get help from "always the
same". Fine... I'll continue without fear.
In any case if you experience something like a reproducible crash, then
report it here or as a bug report. Less talking, more action.
Riccardo
- Re: elementary OS, (continued)
- Re: elementary OS, Andreas Höschler, 2014/02/09
- Re: elementary OS, Gregory Casamento, 2014/02/09
- Re: elementary OS, Gregory Casamento, 2014/02/09
- Re: elementary OS, Liam Proven, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Patryk Laurent, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Thom Cherryhomes, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Liam Proven, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Thom Cherryhomes, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Ivan Vučica, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS,
Riccardo Mottola <=
- Re: elementary OS, Markus Hitter, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Thom Cherryhomes, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Michael P. Soulier, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Michael P. Soulier, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Riccardo Mottola, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Michael P. Soulier, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, 2014/02/10
- Re: elementary OS, Gerold Rupprecht, 2014/02/11
- Re: elementary OS, Gregory Casamento, 2014/02/11