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Re: Savannah bug tracker disabled?


From: Fred Kiefer
Subject: Re: Savannah bug tracker disabled?
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:59:13 +0100

As most of you may remember, I prefer to stay out of these political 
discussions. Discussing  code is frustrating enough. But this time I have to 
step up for Yavor. All he wrote was the an announcement about the bug tracker 
move would have been helpful. And I would go even further on that point. When 
we agreed on moving GNUstep to GitHub we also decided to leave the bug tracker 
on Savannah, at least this is my recollection of the result. Please correct me 
if I am wrong here. If this is true, a bit more of explanation for this step 
would be appropriate. Just saying that we no longe host our code in Savannah, 
even when done in capital letters, isn’t an argument. As some may recall, we 
did move from GNA to GitHub, our code hasn’t been hosted on Savannah for years.

I really would like to hear an explanation not a rant. That may be acceptable 
behaviour in some countries at the moment, I hope the GNUstep discussion list 
is not a place like this.

Fred

> Am 02.11.2019 um 03:42 schrieb Gregory Casamento <address@hidden>:
> 
> I really need to be upfront and frank on this subject because it really 
> upsets me.  I am getting really tired of these petty political arguments 
> getting in the way of making real progress on this project.
> 
> I am really not ready to hear "I don't wanna do this... I'm not gonna sign up 
> for this service or that service because of some political reason."  Free 
> Software is a good cause and I have been fighting for it for about 20 years 
> now.  I joined GNUstep in 1999 and I have been adamant in my belief and 
> protection of free software, but I have also watched GNUstep languish because 
> of decisions sometimes made for political ends rather than for TECHNICAL ones.
> 
> If you don't want to use clang, fine.... if we leave gcc behind then I guess 
> you'll need to fork.  You don't like github, then I guess you're not writing 
> bugs or contributing to the project.  It's just as simple as that.  Many of 
> these decisions were made by consensus... moving to github was not my idea 
> alone it was myself and the maintainers.  Someone refusing to submit bugs due 
> to the fact that they might need a github account isn't going to change that.
> 
> I shut down the savannah bug tracker for a very simple reason.  WE AREN'T 
> HOSTING SOURCE ON SAVANNAH ANYMORE. Contribute, make suggestions to make 
> things better, but for GOODNESS SAKE make them for technical reasons.
> 
> For those who believe that we have received no benefit from moving to github, 
> think again.  Algoriddim likely would not be contributing unless we were 
> there and also we have had a number of helpful pull requests due to being 
> here.  So, please, don't kid yourselves.  Being on github has meant more 
> exposure for the project which is a good thing.
> 
> So, I'm asking you... if you want to help this project leave your petty 
> political arguments to one side and HELP THE PROJECT and stop WHINING!  
> 
> FYI, This rant is not directed at one person, just the culmination of 
> feelings that have been brewing in my mind for a while.
> 
> GC
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:56 AM Gregory Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear that, but the bug tracker at savannah is permanently 
> closed.  I suppose you can use the mailing list.
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> Mailtrack 11/01/19, 11:56:16 AM       
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:25 AM Yavor Doganov <address@hidden> wrote:
> Gregory Casamento wrote:
> > Yes, it is disabled to avoid confusion.
> 
> An announcement would have been nice.
> 
> > Existing bugs can be updated and closed, but no new ones can be
> > added.
> 
> I cannot update existing bugs, perhaps only project members can.
> That's OK.
> 
> > Track bugs on github where the main development is now happening.
> 
> As I don't have a GitHub account and don't plan to make one, I guess I
> can report bugs to bug-gnustep@.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
> http://ind.ie/phoenix/




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