Re: Brutal review…

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Well, on second thought it is a matter of definition.

There could be:
gsde    - as the GNUstep based desktop (equivalent to xfce4 for example)
gnustep - as the full and complete development system (equivalent to Xcode)
gap             - the GNUstep applications


> Am 18.10.2023 um 07:11 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com>:
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>> Am 18.10.2023 um 00:15 schrieb Daniel Boyd <danieljboyd@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> Yeah you're right -- that was oversimplifying.
>> 
>> I think you need several metapackages
>> 
>> metapackages for running gnustep apps
>> gnustep -- synonym for gnustep-clang (at least I think that should be the 
>> default)
> 
> No, if you apt install lxde or xfce4 or mate or ... it is simply a 
> metapackage not for running apps but a full preconfigured desktop including 
> some default setup and apps like Terminal, web browser. That is the best user 
> experience.
> 
> So it should be a package that installs gnustep desktop eonvironment. I.e. 
> base, gui, gap apps, etc. which can be grouped in other metapackages (e.g. 
> gnustep-core, gnustep-gap)
> 
> And then there should be gnustep-dev for being able to develop packages. 
> Which will be best developer experience.
> 
>> gnustep-gcc
>> gnustep-clang
>> 
>> metapackages for developing gnustep apps
>> gnustep-dev (installs gnustep-clang-dev)
>> gnustep-gcc-dev
>> gnustep-clang-dev
>> 
>> And then that way if you're developing an app that requires libobjc2, you 
>> can just add gnustep-clang as a dependency. (I'm not sure gcc/clang is the 
>> best approach. objc1/objc2 might be better...? Regardless, I think you name 
>> it whatever would be most obvious to someone new to the project.)
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2023, at 4:39 PM, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Daniel Boyd wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Project goal should be for the instructions to get a working gnustep 
>>>> environment (in Debian) to be as simple as:
>>>> 
>>>>> sudo apt install gnustep
>>> 
>>> that's oversimplifying, but something along a couple of virtual packages 
>>> like "gnustep core" "gnustep development" "gnustep games" "gnustep net 
>>> apps" (if we had more than gnumail...)could do.
>>> A "gnustep full" is a bit overkill, but for whom wants it would be also 
>>> easy to do. I don't know how xfce or gnome do things nowadays, because I 
>>> always go the "cherry-pick" route there too.
> 
> They do it all the overkill way :)
> 
>>> 
>>> These would just pull in the proper selection of packages which should 
>>> be separately available. Not even that hard, even on debian. Debian has 
>>> most stuff already, except some long-standing missing things.
>>> 
>>> With our private repo, even easier then. A thing to remember would be to 
>>> make them incompatible with the offical debian packages or something 
>>> similar, do be sure that they don't get mixed up.
> 
> It is easy to mix public and private repos.
> 
> Just my 2cts
> 
> -- hns
>