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Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Auguria and Eldy menu

From: Laurent Destailleur (aka Eldy)
Subject: Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Auguria and Eldy menu
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:13:55 +0100

auguria menu is a try to implement menu eldy using full dynamic database declaration.
As i said, it is a trie and currently it does not support 100% of features menu default menu eldy handle, that's why we never moved completely from eldy to auguria. It was goal but dev was not yet finished. We still have problem for some entries that must be shown dynamically according to conditions.
As long as auguria does not support all features provided by eldy menu, we won't migrate to it.

Note that auguria and eldy menu manager has nothing to do with templates auguria and eldy (name are same but they are different components).

- template are css that define looks.
- menu manager are components that return the tree of menus according to permissions, user profile and user path and sometimes option or data.

2015-01-14 15:15 GMT+01:00 Philip Lehmann-Böhm <address@hidden>:
Template systems don't care about what they output. This might be HTML5, too. The output format has nothing to do with the templating system.

Am 14.01.15 um 15:09 schrieb Francis.appels:
I agree with Raphael.

We should avoid template frameworks compiled on the server and use HTML5/_javascript_ and let all work be done by the client browser.
You can use for example Grids for quickly editing data.


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:54:14 +0100
From: Doursenaud, Rapha?l <address@hidden>
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Subject: Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Auguria and Eldy menu
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IMHO We need to move forward to using HTML5 and responsive design for a
future major release.
We simply can't ignore this technology anymore.

A templating framework would have greatly simplified this refactoring.
Unfortunately we don't really have such a tool.
We should stop thinking only in raw, bit-crunching performance and also
think about readability, versatility, and ease-of-development when
evaluating if templating fits our use case.

Unfortunately, an idea and even a POC is not enough in a small community
like ours to generate enough momentum to bring contributors into motion.
You need to code the feature or GTFO (sorry for the strong language).

I also vote for the removal of unmaintained bits and integrating menu
system in themes. Any volunteers to do the heavy lifting?

My 2 and a half cents.

2015-01-14 13:46 GMT+01:00 [Kreiz IT]C?dric GROSS <address@hidden>:

Thank you Philip J

And about ?excuse? :


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Philip Lehmann-B?hm
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I think moving to Twig would be utterly important. There is simply no
excuse not to use a templating system IMHO and Twig is really great.

Am 14.01.15 um 13:35 schrieb [Kreiz IT]C?dric GROSS:

Hello, My 2 cents also :

Adopt a template manager so we could totally separate business code and
template. This should also permit development of new one easily.

Yes. I know Eldy is totally against this. But we could really get great
benefit adopting a tool like this against a really small lost of speed.
(Twig use cached file, not sure we lost speed)

Anyway, sometime I dream about a Dolibarr v4 based on that ;)


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*Envoy? :* mercredi 14 janvier 2015 12:46
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*Objet :* Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Auguria and Eldy menu

My 2 cents,

remove menu lib and define menu on modules definition file

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Florian HENRY
*Envoy? :* mercredi 14 janvier 2015 12:13
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*Objet :* Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Auguria and Eldy menu


My point of view, remove auguria theme and affilate files, it is no more
Theme I often see on my customer deployment are Amarok, Eldy and Cameleo
(this one to my point of view ugly, but give hight contrast on table lines).
As we see problem with Oblyon theme, theme and menu should be linked, when
change theme => menu manager should be updated as well.


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Le 14/01/2015 12:01, Doursenaud, Rapha?l a ?crit :

Good question!

Can't spot many differences.

Looking at the code, I see that eldy one is maintained  and more up to

I suspect the auguria one is (was?) tailored to fit the auguria theme.

Don't know more. Anyone?

2015-01-13 20:01 GMT+01:00 Marcos Garc?a <address@hidden>:

Hi all,

Just a quick question... Which is the difference between Auguria menu
handler and Eldy menu handler?


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