[DotGNU]RE: Developers digest, Vol 1 #130 - 11 msgs

[Gary L. Sun]

Sorry, I hit on my address book list, not intended to send to
list groups. If you have received > > > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
mail, please disgard it.

Gary

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Today's Topics:

   1. Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU? (Adam Theo)
   2. Re: Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU? (Norbert Bollow)
   3. Support for Java bytecode - high priority project (Karthik Kumar)
   4. pnetlib development - System.Xml ... (Karthik Kumar)
   5. Re: Lessig (was Re: As if the DMCA wasn't bad enough) (Norbert Bollow)
   6. Re: Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU? (David Sugar)
   7. (no subject) (Gary L. Sun)
   8. Re: (no subject) (Martin Coxall)
   9. RE: (no subject) (Peter Waldschmidt)
  10. Re: (no subject) (Daniel E Baumann)
  11. Re: (no subject) (Daniel E Baumann)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:01:25 -0400
From: Adam Theo <address@hidden>
Organization: Theoretic Solutions (http://www.theoretic.com)
To: address@hidden
Subject: [DotGNU]Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU?

Hello, everyone. You may remember me from a few months ago, as the guy
who kept talking about Jabber [http://www.jabber.org] :-)

I presented a few ways that dotGNU could use Jabber to solve it's XML
routing and basic backbone problems, while being able to focus on VM,
APIs, and the other 'top-layer' projects. But I got too busy and
involved with other things, so I had to leave.

Well, I have been contacted by Myrddian, and he's asked me to resume
explaining Jabber and how it can mostly cover the first few miles of
dotGNU's journey.

I spoke to all of the members of the Jabber Foundation
[http://foundation.jabber.org] yesterday in the public conference, and
set up a meeting for Jabber developers to meet and discuss how we can
help you all here. It is not closed to just us, by any means. Everyone
is welcome to participate. Join, as questions, answer questions, help us
understand and show us what you need. We'd love to learn and help.

The meeting will be held in a Jabber conference room, at:
address@hidden at 2:00pm ET (18:00 GMT?) today, Thursday.

So you will need a Jabber client and account to participate. Don't
worry, it's free and most likely you can get a free software client for
your platform: http://jabbercentral.org/clients/

Once you have downloaded and installed a client, it will take you
through the steps of signing up for an account at the Jabber server of
your choice: http://www.jabberview.com/ . If you want, you can use my
public server, 'theoretic.com'. It is fast and stable.

Here is a User Guide: http://docs.jabber.org/no-sgml/userguide/

For a general FAQ on Jabber:
http://docs.jabber.org/general/html/faq.html

No matter what you decide to do about this meeting, I strongly suggest
checking out Jabber. Feel free to contact me on Jabber:
address@hidden and ask me about it. I love to help out people
new to Jabber :-) If you want to chat with other people new to Jabber
tomorrow or anytime, you can meet in a Jabber conference room I've set
up on my server: address@hidden . I will be there
through-out the day, helping anyone there.

Hope this can help everyone here!  :-)

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:41:02 +0200
From: Norbert Bollow <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [DotGNU]Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU?

Adam Theo <address@hidden> wrote:

> The meeting will be held in a Jabber conference room, at:
> address@hidden at 2:00pm ET (18:00 GMT?) today, Thursday.

2:00 pm EDT is 16:00 GMT, or 5pm London time (because Daylight
Saving Time is in effect), or 6pm in Central Europe.

I think this meeting is a great idea, and I'd personally love to
attend it if I could (which I probably cannot arrange, as I have
an important appointment in the next town at 7pm).

In any case, I'd like to encourage everyone to attend this meeting.
I think that Jabber and DotGNU definately should cooperate in
some ways, and there will be lots of important and interesting
coding projects in this area, on all levels of complexity.

Greetings, Norbert.

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karthik Kumar <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: [DotGNU]Support for Java bytecode - high priority project

Hello,
   It has been mentioned that the support for java bytecodes for the
DotGNU platform is one of the important high-priority projects . I am
interested in contributing to the dotGNU primarily in the area of
virtual machines and JVM in particular. So is there anybody currently
working on the JVM project ? It's been mentioned in the web site that
probably this module could be integrated with pnet. Now how far has
it been done ?
     So in case any one of you is working on JVM please let me know.
so that I can contribute my best to that.

Thanks.
Karthik Kumar.

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karthik Kumar <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: [DotGNU]pnetlib development - System.Xml ...

Hello,
  This one is with regard to the pnetlib development. I had
subscribed to the developer mailing list long back and I am watching
this for a particular period of time. I am really confused about one
thing - Is Mono going to be integrated with the DotGNU project ? I am
asking this because the the number of classes/namespaces implemented
by Mono is greater than the one avaialable at pnetlib. So where do we
go from now? Is it that the code from Mono is going to be used with
pnetlib or is it that developement work for pnetlib got to be done
separately ?
   In case if it is to be done separately, may be  I could start with
developing the System.Xml namespace/classes , but my only botheration
is that the work should not be a redundant one ?
  Can anybody help me know the facts ?

Thanks.
Karthik Kumar.

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:03:57 +0200
From: Norbert Bollow <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
CC: address@hidden, address@hidden
Subject: [DotGNU]Re: Lessig (was Re: As if the DMCA wasn't bad enough)

Mike Crist <address@hidden> wrote:

> I hope you folks won't reinvent the wheel and give serious
> consideration to using XNS (http://xns.org) for this.

We have tried without success to establish contact with XNSORG.
This was some time ago.

Do you think that you could help with establishing contact?

Greetings, Norbert.

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Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:46:33 -0400
From: David Sugar <address@hidden>
To: Adam Theo <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [DotGNU]Would you like any Jabber with your dotGNU?

Jabber is a very interesting bit of work.  I recall having the
impression it is under bsd-like license, or at least not something alien
to free software.  I do think it is worth looking at and our goal in
dotgnu is not to re-invent everything but to assure that the results of
dotgnu and/or those projects dotgnu integrates are and will remain free
software.  Actually I had looked once before at Jabber, and perhaps
having it fill some role in Bayonne and gnucomm, particularly in
presence management and provisioning of ip phone users.

When we look at other projects that cover or relate to some aspect or
part of dotgnu, we often do need to have some form of open and effective
communication to be able to work with them, and I think this is a good
step.  I honestly do not know my availability this afternoon, as I have
to visit someone in NYC, but I hope a few people here can and do take
this opportunity.

David

Adam Theo wrote:

>Hello, everyone. You may remember me from a few months ago, as the guy
>who kept talking about Jabber [http://www.jabber.org] :-)
>
>I presented a few ways that dotGNU could use Jabber to solve it's XML
>routing and basic backbone problems, while being able to focus on VM,
>APIs, and the other 'top-layer' projects. But I got too busy and
>involved with other things, so I had to leave.
>
>Well, I have been contacted by Myrddian, and he's asked me to resume
>explaining Jabber and how it can mostly cover the first few miles of
>dotGNU's journey.
>
>I spoke to all of the members of the Jabber Foundation
>[http://foundation.jabber.org] yesterday in the public conference, and
>set up a meeting for Jabber developers to meet and discuss how we can
>help you all here. It is not closed to just us, by any means. Everyone
>is welcome to participate. Join, as questions, answer questions, help us
>understand and show us what you need. We'd love to learn and help.
>
>The meeting will be held in a Jabber conference room, at:
>address@hidden at 2:00pm ET (18:00 GMT?) today, Thursday.
>
>So you will need a Jabber client and account to participate. Don't
>worry, it's free and most likely you can get a free software client for
>your platform: http://jabbercentral.org/clients/
>
>Once you have downloaded and installed a client, it will take you
>through the steps of signing up for an account at the Jabber server of
>your choice: http://www.jabberview.com/ . If you want, you can use my
>public server, 'theoretic.com'. It is fast and stable.
>
>Here is a User Guide: http://docs.jabber.org/no-sgml/userguide/
>
>For a general FAQ on Jabber:
>http://docs.jabber.org/general/html/faq.html
>
>No matter what you decide to do about this meeting, I strongly suggest
>checking out Jabber. Feel free to contact me on Jabber:
>address@hidden and ask me about it. I love to help out people
>new to Jabber :-) If you want to chat with other people new to Jabber
>tomorrow or anytime, you can meet in a Jabber conference room I've set
>up on my server: address@hidden . I will be there
>through-out the day, helping anyone there.
>
>Hope this can help everyone here!  :-)
>_______________________________________________
>Developers mailing list
>address@hidden
>http://subscribe.dotgnu.org/mailman/listinfo/developers
>



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Message: 7
Reply-To: <address@hidden>
From: "Gary L. Sun" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:11:08 +0800
Subject: [DotGNU](no subject)

> > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
> > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> > > America: The Good Neighbor.
> > >
> > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
> > > recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
> > > Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
> > > commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> > > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
> > > Record:
> > >
> > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
> > > Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
> > > appreciated people on all the earth.
> > >
> > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
> > > Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
> > > Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> > > countries is today paying even the interest on its
> > > remaining debts to the United States.
> > >
> > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
> > > was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
> > > was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
> > > Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> > >
> > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
> > > States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
> > > American communities were
> > > flattened by tornadoes.
> > > Nobody helped.
> > >
> > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
> > > billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
> > > newspapers in those countries are writing about the
> > > decadent, warmongering Americans.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
> > > gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
> > > build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
> > > world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> > > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
> > > don't they fly them? Why do all the International
> > > lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> > >
> > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
> > > a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
> > > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
> > >
> > > technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> > > American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
> > > not once, but several times and safely home again.
> > >
> > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
> > > right in the store window for everybody to look at.
> > > Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
> > > They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> > >
> > > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> > > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> > >
> > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were
> > > breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
> > > rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
> > > New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
> > > caboose.
> > > Both are still broke.
> > >
> > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
> > > the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
> > > even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
> > >
> > > in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> > > during the San Francisco earthquake.
> > >
> > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> > > Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
> > > kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
> > > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
> > > to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> > > over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
> > > of those."
> > >
> > > Stand proud, America!
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
> > > read regarding the United States. It is nice that one
> > > man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the
> > > world would realize it. We are always blamed for
> > > everything, and never even get a thank you for the
> > > things we do.
> > >
> > > I would hope that each of you would send this to as
> > > many people as you can and emphasize that they should
> > > send it to as many of their friends until this letter
> > > is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single
> > >
> > > American that has read this,
> > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.

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Message: 8
From: Martin Coxall <address@hidden>
To: "Gary L. Sun" <address@hidden>,
 <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [DotGNU](no subject)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:18:14 +0100

> > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

As an "outsider" (from the UK), I have to say this is one of the most
sickeningly disgusting things I have ever read. If this is a testament to
what Americans believe, then it is clear that they have learnt nothing, and
are destined to remain the most despised people on the planet for a long
while to come, locked into a cycle of increasing terrorist attacks and
retaliation, unable to break free.

The US is the main perpetrator of an evil and oppressive system that
enslaves
90% of the world's population in fear, anger, poverty and disease, just so
as
Mrs Lardass of Des Moines, Iowa can get her half-gallon of Ben and Jerry's
from Wal-Mart.

Islamic fundamentalism cannot be allowed to continue. Neither can the
systemic enslavement of the population of the earth by the west. These two
evils are entwined, and must be destroyed simultaneously.

Martin


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Message: 9
Subject: RE: [DotGNU](no subject)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:35:45 -0400
From: "Peter Waldschmidt" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>


So what are you anyway?  A communist?

We all know how well that system works....

Peter

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From: Martin Coxall [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:18 AM
To: Gary L. Sun; address@hidden
Subject: Re: [DotGNU](no subject)

> > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

As an "outsider" (from the UK), I have to say this is one of the most=20
sickeningly disgusting things I have ever read. If this is a testament
to=20
what Americans believe, then it is clear that they have learnt nothing,
and=20
are destined to remain the most despised people on the planet for a long

while to come, locked into a cycle of increasing terrorist attacks and=20
retaliation, unable to break free.

The US is the main perpetrator of an evil and oppressive system that
enslaves=20
90% of the world's population in fear, anger, poverty and disease, just
so as=20
Mrs Lardass of Des Moines, Iowa can get her half-gallon of Ben and
Jerry's=20
from Wal-Mart.

Islamic fundamentalism cannot be allowed to continue. Neither can the=20
systemic enslavement of the population of the earth by the west. These
two=20
evils are entwined, and must be destroyed simultaneously.

Martin

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:16:22 -0500
From: Daniel E Baumann <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [DotGNU](no subject)

On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:18:14PM +0100, Martin Coxall wrote:
> > > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
>
> As an "outsider" (from the UK), I have to say this is one of the most
> sickeningly disgusting things I have ever read. If this is a testament to
> what Americans believe, then it is clear that they have learnt nothing,
and
> are destined to remain the most despised people on the planet for a long
> while to come, locked into a cycle of increasing terrorist attacks and
> retaliation, unable to break free.

No it is not a testament to what "Americans" believe. I see it as a calling
for
sympathy and support to his ppl. America is not all "evil", there are some
Americans who believe strongly in freedom and you cannot lump them all
together
for then we are no better than all the others who are biggoted and full of
hate and terrorizing the world.

> The US is the main perpetrator of an evil and oppressive system that
enslaves
> 90% of the world's population in fear, anger, poverty and disease, just so
as
> Mrs Lardass of Des Moines, Iowa can get her half-gallon of Ben and Jerry's
> from Wal-Mart.

I just love all the US bashing when this was the *World* trade center that
was
destroyed there are more then just "Americans" that were killed. It is easy
for
one to point finger and place blame, but it takes a real human being to open
their heart when some of our fellow human beings are suffering. I believe
myself
that God may be punishing the US for all of it's secular actions, but of
course
that is my belief.

> Islamic fundamentalism cannot be allowed to continue. Neither can the
> systemic enslavement of the population of the earth by the west. These two
> evils are entwined, and must be destroyed simultaneously.

Yes, and a lot of us here in the US continue to fight the injustices and are
in
a daily struggle to make this the land of the people once again and not the
United Corporations of America.

Cheers,
Dan
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:18:09 -0500
From: Daniel E Baumann <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [DotGNU](no subject)

On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Peter Waldschmidt wrote:
>
> So what are you anyway?  A communist?
>
> We all know how well that system works....

Cheap shot, doesn't even really deserve a response. Marx actually has some
good
points, doesn't make it the end all, but there are some good things that we
can
pull from there.

Dan
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realists'' say that profit is the only ideal...just ignore them, and use
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