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[DotGNU]Re: My Favorite soapbox : XML linkage

From: Seth Johnson
Subject: [DotGNU]Re: My Favorite soapbox : XML linkage
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:30:34 -0400

This is an implication of the application server framework,
not so much XML/etc.  For instance the REST people are very
dedicated to the end-to-end principle along with XML (though
this is not to say that the end-to-end principle substitutes
for a dependable strategy to assure freedom).  People who
access remote web services only get data, not applications. 
So they end up in a position of saying, what do I need code
for, anyway?  The application server model is very well
designed to make people into *consumers* of "information
services," not to encourage people to build and maintain
their own servers.  It also leads people to the standpoint
of not even loading applications on their local machines.

This is actually why the proprietary camp sees so much going
for them in the web services arena, why Yahoo, etc. are
moving to block interoperation the way they are.

Seth Johnson

James Michael DuPont wrote:
> That is the key question to the success of the DotGNU
> in general. We have to address this issue sooner or
> later.
> Please dont be offended, but
> I have to say that it is a little strange that there
> are so many commercial jabber implementation and very
> few good GPLed.
> This is an sign of the XML mania that even I have
> fallen victim to, XML is great for companies, but it
> does not help Free software as much.
> The whole linkage and network usage issue comes into
> play. By using jabber interfaces, Soap and XML, there
> is no protection of the GPL.
> We still need to be rethink the entire licensing issue
> for the creation of the GPL "viral" effect on the
> greater level.
> Only then will we get some form of better contribution
> to the GNU cause, when we have a key technology that
> you have to contribute to in order to use.
> XML/SOAP/XML-RPC is a function exporter,
> it allows for anyone to us the service.
> The C linker is a function exporter,
> it allows for anyone to link to and use the service.
> Only that the Linker is covered by the GPL, the RPC is
> not.
> The more we continue with the DOTGNU project, and
> webservice, the sooner we will have to confront this
> issue.
> We still do not have *any* license that will allow for
> the GPL like linkage protection for web services.
> Most people want to create services that can be used
> by anyone or in a company.
> mike
> --- Peter Saint-Andre <address@hidden> wrote:
> > We used to have an IRC gateway but the maintainer
> > dropped out of the project so it hasn't kept up
> > with API changes. Yahoo is actively working to
> > thwart access from all but Yahoo-approved software,
> > and that includes Jabber/Yahoo gateways. However,
> > some Jabber servers still have working Yahoo
> > gateways, although is not one of them.
> > Refer to my Jabber User Guide for further
> > information, specifically:
> >
> >
> > Peter


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