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Re: [Dragora-members] Roadmap for Dragora 3.0 -beta2?

From: Kevin "The Nuclear" Bloom
Subject: Re: [Dragora-members] Roadmap for Dragora 3.0 -beta2?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:19:12 -0400
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Michael Siegel writes:

> Am 09.09.20 um 23:41 schrieb Matias Fonzo:
>> El 2020-09-09 14:43, Michael Siegel escribió:
>>> Hi selk,
>>> a few quick comments and ideas from my side.
>>> Am 08.09.20 um 23:31 schrieb Matias Fonzo:
> [...]
>>> Also, I like TDE, but is it really strictly necessary to have it
>>> available and fully supported for -beta2? Wouldn't it be enough to offer
>>> a browser to use with Xfce, maybe GNU Icecat?
>> Strictly no, but complete enough to work well.  The basis of TDE and
>> something else, "complete" TDE is many things...
>> Xfce was included and then moved to testing[1].  This is because if I
>> remember correctly, it involves a number of annoying dependencies, such
>> as polkit, consolekit and I don't remember what else.  Also "gvfs" that
>> has several dependencies.
>> TDE doesn't require any of this, and is more stable and complete than Xfce.
>> [1] http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/tree/testing/recipes
> I see, I'm all for TDE then. :)
> About GNU IceCat: I thought that project was sort of dead. But there
> seems to have been some serious activity on getting together the IceCat
> 78 release, recently:
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnuzilla-dev/2020-09/msg00008.html

I have heard many people don't care for IceCat. Not 100% sure why but
I think that Seamonkey or a full webkit browser would be best.

>>>> Some adjustments have to be made in the Dragora installer so that it can
>>>> search for packages, series and offer them to the user for installation.
>>>>  At the moment I think I will omit the selection of package-by-package,
>>>> since there were several changes for Qi and package names, you have to
>>>> put a lot of detail and attention, energy to make this part go well.  I
>>>> think it's more than enough that the user is offered a complete
>>>> installation, or can at least select the series of packages, since the
>>>> packages can be removed later.. at least for now.
>>> Hm… If there would be any way to avoid removing that feature I'd be
>>> really happy because I would definitely use it. I'd say that having to
>>> remove packages I didn't want in the first place later is kind of
>>> burdening me as a user.
>> Agree.
>>> What exactly makes it complicated to implement/keep this feature?
>> When I implemented it, I remember that it was a lot of work, detail and
>> attention.  This is sensitive because if it is not well done, you can
>> lose a package or ruin something.
>> I will try to look at it in a fresh way, because given the changes in
>> Qi, the restructuring, the package names, I have to rewrite this part in
>> the installer[2] and the script that generates the package list for the
>> installer[3].
>> [2]
>> http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/plain/archive/dragora-installer/parts/InstallPackages
>> [3] http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/plain/packages/makeTags
> Okay, I'll try to have a closer look at those. Maybe I can provide some
> useful suggestions.
> As far as documentation on the website goes, I think it's best to
> discuss this in its own thread. Maybe I'll find the time to start that
> over the weekend.
> --Michael

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