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[debbugs-tracker] bug#13863: closed (24.2; Cursor position after after-s

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Subject: [debbugs-tracker] bug#13863: closed (24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:21:01 +0000

Your message dated Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:19:23 +0200
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and subject line Re: bug#13863: 24.2; Cursor position after after-string on 
overlay at point-max
has caused the debbugs.gnu.org bug report #13863,
regarding 24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
to be marked as done.

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--- Begin Message --- Subject: 24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:19:33 +0100
- Write some text into a buffer
- Create this overlay:

    (let ((o (make-overlay (point-max) (point-max) nil t t))
          (s "There's\na multiline\nstring here"))
      (set-text-properties 0 (length s)
       `(face (:foreground ,(format "#%02x%02x%02x" 90 90 90))) s)
      (overlay-put o 'priority 100)
      (overlay-put o 'after-string s))

    ;; the text-properties aren't important, it's just there to
    ;; separate the overlay visually.
- Go to point-max.
- Type something.

Notice that the point of insertion is not reflected by the position of
the cursor.

Basically, the cursor is positioned after the after-string of an overlay
at point-max, even if it does not accurately reflect where text is
inserted. If the after-string is large enough, you could be inserting
text outside the screen and not know about it.

I am trying to use this so that I can display some extra information
after contents of the buffer. However, it gets mighty annoying when the
cursor is placed after all the second-order information I am displaying

Maybe the placement of the cursor should depend on the the value of

- Magnar

In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
 of 2012-09-04 on fi-bp-202.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
Configured using:
 `configure '--prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2' '--without-dbus'
 '--infodir=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2/share/info/emacs' '--with-ns'
 '--disable-ns-self-contained' 'CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2' 'CFLAGS=-Os -w
 -pipe -march=core2 -msse4 -mmacosx-version-min=10.6'

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Emacs-Lisp

Minor modes in effect:
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  elisp-slime-nav-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  global-hl-line-mode: t
  ido-ubiquitous-mode: t
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  eldoc-mode: t
  paredit-mode: t
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  global-undo-tree-mode: t
  undo-tree-mode: t
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  subword-mode: t
  recentf-mode: t
  delete-selection-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
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  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
s SPC <backspace> s-/ n a SPC m u l t i l i n e s-/ 
n s t r i n g SPC h e r e C-f C-f C-f C-j <S-left> 
C-n C-@ M-w <S-right> C-y C-p C-p C-p M-j C-n C-e C-b 
C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-f C-d 
9 C-f C-f C-b C-b C-f C-f C-d 9 C-f C-f C-d 9 C-n C-p 
C-p C-n C-n C-p M-j C-n C-n C-n C-b C-b C-@ s C-p M-j 
C-e C-x 2 <S-down> C-c b H e r e ' s SPC s o m e SPC 
t e x t <S-up> C-@ M-w <S-down> M-: C-y <return> q 
<S-up> C-n C-n C-n C-n C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f 
C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f 
C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-@ C-@ C-æ o <return> C-e C-n 
C-e C-@ M-w <S-down> M-: <up> <down> C-y <return> C-p 
C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f f f f <home> C-n <S-up> C-n C-n 
C-p C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-b 
<S-right> <S-down> C-p C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f 
C-f a C-p C-f C-x k <return> C-c b <S-up> C-n C-n C-p 
C-p C-p C-p C-n C-e C-b C-b C-b C-b C-f C-f <backspace> 
n i l C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-x C-e <S-down> a s d f 
P <backspace> <S-up> f f C-_ C-p C-p C-p C-p C-_ C-_ 
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-b f <backspace> C-f f C-_ C-p 
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-a C-@ M-w <S-down> M-: C-y <return> 
f f <S-up> C-@ M-w C-x k <return> <S-down> C-x k <return> 
C-x 0 M-x e m a c s - b u <return>

Recent messages:
windmove-do-window-select: No window right from selected window
line-move-visual: Beginning of buffer [2 times]
a multiline
string here" 0 31 (face (:foreground "#5a5a5a")))
a multiline
string here" 0 31 (face (:foreground "#5a5a5a")))

Load-path shadows:
/Users/fimasvee/.emacs.d/elpa/hardcore-mode-1.0.0/hardcore-mode hides 
hides /Users/fimasvee/.emacs.d/site-lisp/fill-column-indicator
~/.emacs.d/users/fimasvee/init hides ~/.emacs.d/init
/Users/fimasvee/.emacs.d/elpa/magit-20130123.1617/rebase-mode hides 
/Users/fimasvee/.emacs.d/site-lisp/delsel/delsel hides 
~/.emacs.d/custom hides 
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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message --- Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:19:23 +0200
> From: Magnar Sveen <address@hidden>
> Cc: address@hidden
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:31:30 +0100
> > IOW, when Emacs is too dumb to put the cursor where you want, you can
> > guide it with the 'cursor' text property.
> Thanks Eli, this solved my problem.
> > Emacs always behaved like that with after-string display.
> Normally I'd say that something always having been like that, is not a
> good argument against fixing unintuitive and buggy behavior. However, in
> the case of Emacs and its exceedingly large code base and dependents, I
> see greater value in backwards compatibility.

I meant that after-string display was explicitly coded this way since
day one.  IOW, it's not a regression.

I will close the bug, then.

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