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Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-dat

From: Michael Toomim
Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:21:05 -0700
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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
I see your point, I really do, but I don't have a good idea how to
fill this gap.  I think the tools like `M-x edmacro' (have you tried
it? -- `M-x edit-kbd-macro') are a good first step because they make
it easy to translate keystrokes and the "editing" stuff you see into
the Lisp stuff underneath.  Then it's not hard to mess with the Lisp
stuff without having to have a deep understanding about it.  `M-x
customize' is another example of the same, but fails to deliver for
similar reasons -- still too complex and "hard".

Wait.. isn't this the whole point of this thread? I thought this was about figuring out what what could be done to XEmacs to make it more mainstream -- to make it usable to those who haven't been assimilated?

In my mind, XEmacs provides a few very cool features that aren't dependent upon the lisp extensibility (other than in that they grew out of lisp extensions) that would be extremely useful to the mainstream user: i-search, program-code auto-indentation, iswitchb, full-featured syntax highlighting, etc. as well as more than a few more advanced features that enhance one's intimacy with the editor: dynamic abbrevs, structural navigation (C-M-d, C-M-b, etc.), and the like.

In my mind, the point behind this "the future of XEmacs" idea is to figure out how to generate a version (or dialect) of XEmacs that gives mainstream users access to the really cool functionality that XEmacs has to offer.

If we don't think that XEmacs can ever "fill the gap"; that it can ever be useful to a user who isn't willing or prepared to go through the hazing ritual, then why are we even talking about this at all?

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