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Re: C-l while in menu?

From: Ben Wing
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:32:31 -0700
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i'm sorry about the tone of that last message, it may have come across badly.

what i meant to say [more nicely!] was that although we certainly should provide f10 as a way to get to the menus, most of the world uses accelerators as the standard way of getting to menus, and with sufficiently clever design [a la what i've done in xemacs], you can use accelerators with only one meta key and without interfering with the other uses of meta. it's much better to make accelerators work seamlessly than do them in a clumsy fashion and *require* that f10 be used to get to the menus -- it should be a backup.

btw i checked it out on windows, and most programs do indeed let you get to the menus using f10 as well as accelerators. the one exception is VC++ -- the program that we should probably take as our first point of reference when updating the GUI. VC++ uses f10 for "next instruction" [single step but not into function calls]. my own personal bindings use F10 as Undo, and I use the accelerators [with only one META key, i.e. accelerators and M-foo are multiplexed] all the time in XEmacs, and i have very few problems with it.


Pavel Janík wrote:

  From: Ben Wing <address@hidden>
  Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:52 -0700

Ben, Stefan,

  > >>    I think it is very easy. We should use F10, and invent new variable
  > >>    f10-should-use-tmm (this is only idea to exactly describe its 
  > >>    defaulting to nil.


  > -- if you have an alt key separate from meta, you can use it for menu
  > accelerators.

I was not talking about accelerators. I know how to use them in XEmacs. But
I do not know if there is a key binding to pop-up the first menu in the
menubar. We would like Emacs to be compatible if XEmacs if it has that
feature. I do not use XEmacs so I'm asking: does XEmacs have that feature?
If so, what is the keybinding?

As Eli said: keyboard controlling menu is useless if you do not have a way
to enter menubar. Accelerators is one way, but I'm looking for the second
one right now.


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