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Re: C-l while in menu?
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Stephen J. Turnbull |
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Re: C-l while in menu? |
Date: |
24 Apr 2002 23:36:30 +0900 |
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Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp) |
>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <address@hidden> writes:
Simon> Yes, but menu accelerators doesn't seem to work by default
Simon> in XEmacs [undex unix].
They don't; you have to explicitly enable them (on a one-shot basis)
with `accelerate-menu' or (permanently) by setting the
`menu-accelerator-enabled' variable. The option was part of the
design; defaulting to off was equal parts backwards compatibility
stubbornness on my part, and my horror at having M-f turned into File
Menu when I first tried the accelerators.
Simon> IMHO the F should only be underlined if it is possible to
Simon> press Alt-F to open the File menu.
A detail. Important, but relatively easy to describe and fix.
Simon> Using M-S-f to open the File menu seems like a bad idea, as
Simon> it is a step =away= from modern UI behaviour.
That depends. In my case, it's a step =toward= it, as I want M-f to
mean forward-word. I will only use the accelerators if the
traditional bindings are still available. If I have both Alt and Meta
keys, I'll use A-f to get the file menu, and M-f to move. If I don't,
I'll arrange that the key engraved Alt generates the Meta keysym, and
use M-S-f for the accelerator.
I'd be willing to bet that "newbies" would learn this _very_ fast, as
they'll find it much easier to remember "M-S- accelerates the menu"
compared to the output of M-x wallpaper. If you want to get oldtimers
to accept accelerators at all, they had better not interfere with
muscle memory. So this seems like a reasonable compromise.
I'm not clear whether I actually _like_ M-S-f as a normal way to do
it. But I think it's less of a defect than you seem to think. There
are much uglier things in the 21.4 implementation IMHO (such as the
way Alt o t ESC ESC ESC generates an ESC keystroke, and the way ESC h
gives me the Help Menu and not `mark-paragraph').
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- Re: C-l while in menu?, (continued)
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Eli Zaretskii, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Richard Stallman, 2002/04/25
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Pavel Janík, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Kim F. Storm, 2002/04/23
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Simon Josefsson, 2002/04/23
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Ben Wing, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Simon Josefsson, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?,
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- Re: C-l while in menu?, Kai Großjohann, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Kai Großjohann, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Hrvoje Niksic, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Stefan Monnier, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Eli Zaretskii, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Robert J. Chassell, 2002/04/23
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Stefan Monnier, 2002/04/23
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Ben Wing, 2002/04/24
- Re: C-l while in menu?, Kai Großjohann, 2002/04/24