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Re: un-deprecating CL

From: David O'Toole
Subject: Re: un-deprecating CL
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:32:21 -0400
User-agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux)

Hello fellow Emacsians,

I would like to point out that my comments were made informally on my
blog, and that the notes at the end about "radical action" and such
are intended to be tongue-in-cheek.

I had planned to revise it further before bothering the emacs-devel
list with the issue; in particular I would have made it sound less
like a rant :-) but also would have tried to bolster my arguments a
little and see if there were other workarounds. For example, i saw the
following in the Emacs TODO file:

> ** Implement popular parts of the rest of the CL functions as compiler
>    macros in cl-macs.

and it occurred to me that I might be able to help.

My point in this is not to complain, but to see if I can help improve
things by helping other developers write their Emacs Lisp programs
more easily.  (I have found it easier to read and write my own
programs since learning the CL package, although it took a significant
investment in time to learn it.)

Joe Wells <address@hidden> writes:

> I just saw this wonderful essay by Dave O'Toole entitled
>   "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful
> at this URL:
>   http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html
> I agree completely with its reasoning.
> Therefore, I propose that the warnings in the manual against relying
> on CL and the byte-compiler warnings when you use a CL function should
> both be removed.
> I hope this suggestion is helpful.
> -- 
> Joe

David O'Toole 

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