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Re: OT

From: David De La Harpe Golden
Subject: Re: OT
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:43:59 +0000

On 08/02/2008, Stefan Monnier <address@hidden> wrote:

> That's the theory.  The practice is that every application is slightly
> different, some offer mouse-1-select and mouse-2-yank, others offer
> menu-copy and menu-paste, others offer both, others offer those things
> via keybindings (usually without making it clear which it is)

Binding issues are different to whether primary/clipboard interaction
is different though.  It's _much_ more confusing for the underlying
interactions with clipboard and primary to be different than for the
precise keyboard shortcuts to be different.

Thus - for someone used to freedesktop.org behaviour, emacs using:

C-w instead of C-x for cut/kill => not particularly confusing, and
fixable by cua-mode anyway.  C-w affecting primary not clipboard =>
quite confusing.

C-y instead of C-v for paste/yank => not particularly confusing, and
fixable by cua-mode anyway.  C-y pulling in primary not clipboard =>
quite confusing.

Selection being by C-SPC then cursor-keys instead of shift-cursor-keys
=> not particularly confusing, and fixable by cua-mode anyway.
Selection affecting clipboard not primary => quite confusing.

> Yes, if you live exclusively within Gnome or within KDE, you may be able
> to get a clear mental model, but the Free world predates those things
> and is much larger than that.

Undoubtedly,  but standardised clipboard interaction is one pretty
understandable reason why some people just stop using the predating
in favor of stuff that's been updated to the standard model.

(N.B. freedesktop.org style interaction is really rather more widely
implemented than GNOME and KDE)

> I've never *ever* needed to distinguish
> between the CLIPBOARD and the PRIMARY.

Fine, others do!

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