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Re: Emacs learning curve

From: Wojciech Meyer
Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:56:49 +0100

Yes. Cua mode is not a solution. The solution would be a minor mode
that preserves CUA keys but disables *completely* emacs ones. The mode
should be easy to toggle and there need to be evident feedback when it
is on, a screen nagging about advanced features avaiable when you
switch the mode on. One will have chance to learn new bindigs
gradually. Wojciech

On 7/22/10, David Kastrup <address@hidden> wrote:
> Ivan Kanis <address@hidden> writes:
>> Tassilo Horn <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> And we would need to define new guidelines for modes.  These
>>> recommendations are also in conflict with CUA:
>> ... snip stuff about C-c ..
>>> But since old emacs users and users happy with the emacs way would like
>>> to stick to the default bindings, we would have to somehow invend
>>> conventions that fit for both Emacs and CUAmacs.  I'm pretty sure that's
>>> near to impossible if you want to preserve a rest of mnemonics and
>>> consistency.
>> C-c is addressed in CUA mode, it only does copy if transient mode is
>> on. You can still get C-c in transient by pressing C-c twice.
> Within a fifth of a second.
>> It's technically possible for emacs to have sane key binding, it's
>> just political not do so.
> I refuse to call that sort of timing-based key sequence difference
> "sane".  For example, it makes bug reports containing key lossage
> useless since the key lossage fails to mention the delays between key
> presses.
>> On a somewhat related note emacs added long line visual motion. It was
>> turned on by default possibly creating confusion for veteran
>> users. The same old user can quickly find that setting
>> line-move-visual to nil gets her the old behavior.
>> Why can't we do that for CUA mode? I think that politics get in the
>> way.
> The result is not sane and not consistent.  If you call it "politics"
> not to present insane and inconsistent behavior to new users, you may be
> right.  And any politician being serious about this sort of politics can
> count on my vote.
> We discussed this.  We voted on it.  Again and again.  And again and
> again.  And you'll still find the vocal minority ignore reality and
> claim that they are suffering from unreasonable hardships by not getting
> their whim against the majority, against common sense, against
> consistency, against the arguments they keep discarding, and without
> cleaning up their act first.
> --
> David Kastrup

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