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Re: Emacs as a desktop environment
Re: Emacs as a desktop environment
Wed, 25 May 2011 05:28:09 -0500
Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux)
On Wed, 25 May 2011 09:31:24 +0200 address@hidden wrote:
j> Ted Zlatanov <address@hidden> writes:
>> I've been very frustrated lately with the memory and resource use of
>> gnome-panel, XFCE, and the new Unity UI in Ubuntu 11.04. They use
>> multiple megabytes of memory for trivial things; they are slow, and they
>> make a machine with 3 GB of RAM feel slow just doing trivial things.
>> I think GNU Emacs, at least on GNU/Linux systems, can provide much of
>> the desktop environment functionality, so Emacs + a window manager like
>> XMonad is a full desktop experience:
>> - launch bar: a place to put icons associated with a program (simple toolbar)
>> - Applications, Places, and System menus: not sure how to connect those
>> - load indicators (CPU, memory, network load, etc.): can be done with SVG
>> - date, weather, market indicators: SVG and/or plain text
>> - workspace indicator: needs to talk to the window manager
>> - all file management: Dired
>> - icon dock for application and system indicators
>> I'd like to know how much of this can be achieved with today's GNU Emacs
>> plus the external packages (GNU ELPA, Tom Tromey's ELPA, EmacsWiki,
>> etc.) available, and how much will require new packages or changes to
>> Emacs' internals.
j> You can have a look at the Xembed branch. Its not functional ATM but the
j> README describes it pretty well I think. What its supposed to do is
j> allow embedding of applications inside Emacs. Then you wouldn't need a
j> WM at all :)
I'm not trying to get rid of the window manager, though several of the
indicators and applets could be written externally and use such
embedding instead of the native Emacs UI.
j> I've also been wanting to rewrite the SVG support to use the Cairo
That would be nice, indeed.
On Wed, 25 May 2011 08:44:42 +0200 Frank Schmitt <address@hidden> wrote:
FS> I felt very much the same and am now using LXDE which is really pretty
FS> nice in my opinion. You might want to give it a try.
Does it provide the things I listed? Does it integrate well with the
Gnome and Ubuntu system and application menus?
On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:38:53 +0200 Geoffrey Teale <address@hidden> wrote:
GT> There is at least one Emacs based window manager out there, though as
GT> I recall it's more for Xemacs than GNU Emacs. I forget the name, but
GT> a quick search would find it I am sure.
I'm not suggesting to replace the window manager. That piece has been
pluggable in X for decades so if Emacs can do it, great, but it's not a
resource hog like the other things I listed so it's less of a concern.
GT> For me the biggest issue with Emacs used in this way is that some
GT> tools block and would lock you out from doing things while they do.
GT> Prime example is GNUS - I use two emacs processes in normal operation,
GT> one for GNUs and one for everything else. I'd love that not to be the
Yes, concurrency will help, but I don't mind launching multiple Emacs
instances to handle the various tasks I listed.
On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:52:27 +0200 Thien-Thi Nguyen <address@hidden> wrote:
TN> You are not alone! Here, Emacs + RPX (ratpoison clone in Scheme) + 512MB
TN> => no worries.
TN> My needs are simpler, however:
TN> [launch bar] No need!
Hmm, I find it useful. It's not essential (dmenu can do it all for
instance) but certainly it's not useless.
TN> [Applications, Places, and System menus] No need!
That's often the only way to find an application.
TN> [load indicators] No need! OK, "urxvt -e top" works, too.
TN> [date, weather, market indicators] No need!
TN> [workspace indicator] All in the mind. Or, "work? what's that?
TN> space? nice place!".
I disagree, those are necessary.
TN> [icon dock] No need!
That's necessary for some applications and indicators, e.g. network
connection status. It's not essential.
TN> What do you think of:
I think it's not the component I'm looking for.