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Re: please review bug #13141
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Alan Mackenzie |
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Re: please review bug #13141 |
Date: |
Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:50:03 +0000 |
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Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) |
Good Morning, Drew!
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 03:59:45PM -0800, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > The patch is straightforward. Please reconsider it.
> > > Why not let users set the behavior they want for this?
> > I have to side with Glenn here. We need to make Bug
> > reporters' jobs as simple as possible.
> Why not give the individual bug reporters a say in what they think is simple?
> Your idea of making their life easier might not be their idea.
My model of bug reporter, right now, is somebody considering submitting
their very first Emacs bug report
> Why does giving other users a choice bother you?
> The default behavior would be the same as now.
I've not seen the patch, but it is surely either a set of configuration
settings or a sequence of questions to be answered each time a new bug
report is done. The former doesn't seem useful, since the useful info to
include will vary by bug report, not by bug submitter. The latter would
be a burden on the bug reporter, and surely could come to be an
annoyance.
> > Sadly, there is a tendency for things which one _can_
> > configure to become things that one _must_ configure -
> I don't recognize any such tendency. Give one example.
Er, CC Mode.
> > we know all about this in Emacs
> Well I don't know about it. I've never seen the addition of a user option,
> with
> no change to the default behavior, require any user to configure that option.
That's a narrower case than I meant, I was talking more generally. We
all have .emacses and I should think they are mostly biggish files. I
would think there are few Emacs users without .emacses, if for nothing
more than customize-* settings.
> That's logically impossible.
> If you do nothing then there is no change in behavior. If you are unaware of
> the option then your life is as simple as before. If you are aware of it and
> IF
> you want to take advantage of it, then you might even make life simpler for
> yourself than before - but that's your choice.
> > - which would be most unfriendly for novice bug reporters.
> What would? Giving a choice to any user who wants it?
To give somebody a choice is to inflict responsibility on her for
choosing.
> > Let's keep this as simple as possible.
> Let's give _users_ the choice. Let's let them decide what is "as simple as
> possible" for themselves, individually.
I don't think users having this choice would be helpful.
> > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13141#43
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: please review bug #13141, (continued)
- Re: please review bug #13141, Xue Fuqiao, 2013/01/19
- RE: please review bug #13141, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Xue Fuqiao, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Richard Stallman, 2013/01/20
- RE: please review bug #13141, Drew Adams, 2013/01/20
- Re: bug#13141: please review bug #13141, Dmitry Gutov, 2013/01/20
- Re: bug#13141: please review bug #13141, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/01/20
- Re: bug#13141: please review bug #13141, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: please review bug #13141, Xue Fuqiao, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Glenn Morris, 2013/01/20
- Re: please review bug #13141, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/01/20
- RE: please review bug #13141, Drew Adams, 2013/01/20
- RE: please review bug #13141, Drew Adams, 2013/01/20
RE: please review bug #13141, Andrey Paramonov, 2013/01/21