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Re: bug#14380: 24.3; `network-stream-open-tls' fails in some imap server

From: Ted Zlatanov
Subject: Re: bug#14380: 24.3; `network-stream-open-tls' fails in some imap servers on w32
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 05:58:40 -0400
User-agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux)

On Mon, 20 May 2013 04:08:57 +0200 Juanma Barranquero <address@hidden> wrote: 

JB> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Ted Zlatanov <address@hidden> wrote:
>> It would mean changing the way Mac OS X and W32 Emacs
>> builds are distributed, to include the GnuTLS libraries with the build,
>> and we'd have to implement a way (perhaps through the ELPA) to
>> distribute updates to these libraries.

JB> Why would that be a good idea now if it wasn't seen as such before?

Because we've had years of experience supporting GnuTLS, we're moving to
GnuTLS 3.x soon (there were no objections to my proposal for that), the
ELPA has matured and requires a secure transport[1], and we've heard
many times from our users on those two platforms that we should.

The current situation is worse: users are on their own and the GnuTLS
developers have not given them a way to auto-update or indicated
interest in doing so (I asked last year IIRC, and see


[1] I also proposed the ELPA as the way to distribute GnuTLS updates.
There's a separate thread about signing ELPA packages which would let us
avoid using a broken GnuTLS to pull its own updates, but that's not
essential to my proposal.

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