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Re: APL mode
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David De La Harpe Golden |
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Re: APL mode |
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Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:40:56 +0100 |
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On 26/10/13 11:35, Juergen Sauermann wrote:
Hi Rustom,
With xmodmap you can make Alt and Alt-Gr different modifiers
Okay, seems like there may be wheels being reinvented in them thar hills:
xmodmap is _old_, xkb [1] exists. Though xkb is perhaps confusing and
baroque, it's now clearly important to note that current xkb packages
ubiquitous on gnu+linux systems _already include_ several variations of
apl symbols [2], and you can use them [3].
They already look vaguely suitable for use with GNU APL, though there
might be some different choices made, I didn't exhaustively verify.
I'm afraid I personally tend to just "muddle through" xkb stuff right
now, I'm not the right person to ask for in-depth support and advice
with xkb. Perhaps you could contact the relevant xkb apl layout
devs/maintainers named in [2] itself to discuss meeting your GNU APL
keyboard needs. If, of course, they're not already met - and maybe it's
early enough that GNU APL might also make changes if it indeed picked
some different symbols to other unicode apls, there are a lot of
lookalike unicode symbols...
I also believe that it is important to have the same method inside and
outside emacs.
I think it's not such a problem if some intra-emacs quail input method
works a bit differently, such input methods are more for people who
either don't want to have a desktop-wide apl layout as above enabled
and/or use emacs on a text terminal or with a peculiar input device or
something.
IMO an emacs apl mode for editing apl sources (and presumably a related
inferior-apl for interactive apl interpreters under emacs) shouldn't
need to get into handling actual apl symbol input, that's more of a job
for xkb as above outside/over emacs, with quail input method(s) inside
emacs being nice to have.
[1] http://www.x.org/wiki/XKB/
[2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/tree/symbols/apl
Already present on my Debian 7.x system:
$ dpkg -S /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/apl
xkb-data: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/apl
[3]
http://aplinquisition.blogspot.com/2013/07/configuring-apl-keyboard-with-i3-window.html
- Re: APL mode, (continued)
- Re: APL mode, David De La Harpe Golden, 2013/10/17
- Re: APL mode, Stefan Monnier, 2013/10/17
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/20
- Re: APL mode, Xue Fuqiao, 2013/10/21
- Re: APL mode, Stefan Monnier, 2013/10/21
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/25
- Re: APL mode, Stefan Monnier, 2013/10/25
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode, Juergen Sauermann, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode,
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- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode, David De La Harpe Golden, 2013/10/26
- Re: APL mode, Stefan Monnier, 2013/10/27
- Re: APL mode, Xue Fuqiao, 2013/10/27
- Re: APL mode, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2013/10/28
- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/28
- Re: APL mode, Juergen Sauermann, 2013/10/28
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- Re: APL mode, Rustom Mody, 2013/10/28
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