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Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-pp

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:55:44 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux)

Dmitry Gutov <address@hidden> writes:

> On 14.02.2014 17:30, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> I'd expect each participant in the discussion to be willing to
>>> implement things they discuss that are within their area of
>>> expertise. E.g. Stefan to at least add that hook and modify the
>>> syntax-ppss caching behavior.
>> That's a popular misconception: the dictatoriate of the incompetent.
>> Just because somebody went to the pains to learn an art does not mean
>> that he is bound to do your bidding.  Gifts are foremost gifts, not
>> punishment.
> Replace "they discuss" in my quote above with "they suggest".

Doesn't change a thing.

> It would be their own bidding, not mine. Or if the person is not
> interested in implementing said things, an explicit warning would be
> nice.

So let me warn you explicitly: just because I am willing to offer
suggestions and/or expertise does not and never imply that I offer
anything else.  And I consider it absurd to assume differently.  Not
just from me, from anyone.

>>> I really don't do C, and learning it just to contribute to Emacs
>>> seems like a major undertaking.
>> Oh, you could help a lot of people and projects in your newly gained
>> area of expertise then.
> Yeah, how much effort other people would have to spend correcting my
> mistakes before I gain said expertise?

But then you would be able to help with and carry on their work.

> Not to mention the expenditure of time on my own part.

No art carries on without gaining new practitioners.

>>> Why there aren't many new contributors capable and interested in
>>> implementing new features at the C level, your guess is as good as
>>> mine (probably better).
>> They probably don't like the obligations coming with it.
> I don't believe most even think that far.

Don't underestimate people.  "I don't know how to do it" for many people
is more a weapon rather than a shortcoming.

It's very popular in the context of Free Software, and many developers
have heard it more often than they really care for.  So it tends to be a
bad move.

David Kastrup

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