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Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:58:48 +0100
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Óscar Fuentes <address@hidden> writes:

> David Kastrup <address@hidden> writes:
>>> Eli took no offense from my response. That should be a strong hint for
>>> you.
>> Eli did not reply after you unilaterally declared the discussion
>> closed.
> Yes, he did. Look harder.
>> Declaring this to mean that he took no offense is quite a leap.
>> You did not bother explaining
> I already took the time to answer your unsolicited intervention in Eli's
> defense, but it seems you will not be happy until I acknowledge that
> your over-the-top intervention was justified.
> No.

You make it a habit of inventing your own histories.  I did not
intervene at all in Eli's defense.  Again quoting _in_ _full_ what you
are alluding to:

    Daniel Colascione <address@hidden> writes:

    > On 02/28/2014 01:13 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
    >> When one declaration changes the meaning and syntax of a program all
    >> over one file (and yes, this sort of thing _can_ happen with C++),
    >> getting things right might require a full-file parse.  When presented
    >> with a preexisting C++ file, being able to get the actual meaning out
    >> by the use of exhaustive tools is nice.  When _writing_ a C++
    >> program, it's preferable to stay away from those edges and thus get
    >> along with more simplistic tools.  Or even none at all.
    > You might believe that --- and you may even be right --- but your
    > personal prescriptions for software development shouldn't affect the
    > feature-set of a generic editor.

    Ultimately, reality will affect the feature set of a generic editor.
    Any feature that requires per-keystroke reparsing of the entire
    compilation unit to work is not feasible in an editing workflow.  That
    kind of thing is ok for code browsing, not for writing.

    At any rate, it was Óscar's claim that it is so utterly absurd to state
    being a regular C++ programmer when one does not rely on code-explaining
    support tools that he basically called Eli a fraud.

    That's a bit stronger than "personal prescriptions for software

That's not an "intervention in Eli's defense".  It's just pointing out
that I happen to share some of those of Eli's stances on programming
that are portrayed as being so outlandish and/or not worth of
consideration as to render any further discussion moot.

At any rate, if you want to comment on any part of the discussion,
I _strongly_ suggest that you _quote_ what you are talking about instead
of postulating your interpretation.

Since we already established that we have a wide variety of how readers
of this list interpret any given choice of words, quoting what you refer
to avoids the interpretations taking on a life of their own like when
playing "Broken Telephone".

David Kastrup

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