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Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagno

From: Dmitry Gutov
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:47:36 +0300
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On 08/18/2015 08:34 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:

Most novices don't bother to write bug reports -- they don't even know
how to write bug reports.

Bug reports are written by users who are at least a little experienced, sure, but we shouldn't assume that every such user has necessarily become accustomed to Emacs's quirks, and wouldn't call out this problem, if it were a real problem.

But yes, people occasionally gripe about the
use of grave accent to quote, and this can hurt Emacs's reputation among
people who may not know it better.  For example,
<http://wordyenglish.com/musing/typography.html> (2007) says:

I sincerely hope the whole effort wasn't kicked off by this Xah Lee's rant. It's pretty shallow. And the author should really "know Emacs better" by now.

"the problem with the GNU is that even today, in 2007, where curly
quotes have been widely available in word processors for over a decade
(and Unicode have been practical and widely available for at least 5
years...), they are still using plain ASCII hacks. (in general, GNU and
the Open Source morons have like a 5 to 10 years lag in adopting
technology, for reasons that are inadvertently intentional and or simply

"morons"... yeah.

And here we are in 2015, with the quote problem still only partly fixed.

One would have to define the "problem" first.

In 2015, the documentation markup languages (Markdown, Asciidoc, etc) support rich content (images, hyperlinks, document structure), and decoupling markup from presentation (usually through rendering into HTML).

Yet here we are, not talking about any big features, and instead discussing using unicode quotes in the markup (which none of the modern markup languages do), because it's "easier" if the markup and presentation are the same. That's a step back, if anything.

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