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Tue, 1 Sep 2015 18:35:45 +0000
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:27:18AM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> It's what Emacs does now, and it works well enough. And the basic idea
> >> >isn't a new principle: Emacs has done it for decades for many ASCII
> >> >characters, e.g., HT. So it is not a problem in practice.
> > It will be a problem in practice. It will by lying about what character
> > in the buffer the glyph on the screen represents.
> Again, there's nothing new here: Emacs has been "lying" in that way for
> for HT and for several other ASCII characters, and it works in practice.
> > It will be ambiguous: seeing a ' on the screen leaves it doubtful
> > what the corresponding character in the buffer is. Current uses of
> > display tables aren't used to confuse users.
> That's easily enough fixed. I installed the attached patch, which uses
> glyphs for quote substitutions in ASCII-only displays.
I don't know what shadow glyphs are, and don't particularly care - they're
irrelevant. As I've said more times than I can count, the problem is
that curly quotes are used in help buffers, messages, etc., not the way
they get displayed. I solved that problem by introducing
`text-quoting-style', and you have reintroduced the problem by removing
Please come up with an actual solution, not an irrelevance. Or else put
`text-quoting-style' back again.
> If you prefer underline or some other glyph face on your console please
> feel free to change the code.
> >> text-quoting-style doesn't do anything for info files, or
> >> for other text files containing curved quotes.
> > That's an argument for an additional facility for Info not one for
> > getting rid of `text-quoting-style', unless the replacement can do
> > the job of `text-quoting-style'.
> The additional facility I proposed would work for info, and would also work
> *Help* buffers and diagnostics
For what value of "work"? Will it enable the quoting behaviour to be
configured to be the same as in Emacs-24.5? It not, it's no good.
>and would render text-quoting-style unnecessary.
`text-quoting-style' is necessary. Please put it back, or replace it
with something which works properly.
[ patch read and snipped ].
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: text-quoting-style, Alan Mackenzie, 2015/09/01