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Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding
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Óscar Fuentes |
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Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding |
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Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:21:11 +0100 |
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Joost Kremers <address@hidden> writes:
> Actually, without wanting to be pedantic, but ⟨ñ⟩ (the grapheme) *is*
> just an ⟨n⟩ with a tilde, regardless of the language one is talking
> about. The reason why a native speaker of Spanish considers n and ñ to
> be two different letters is because they represent two different
> *phonemes* of the Spanish language: /n/ vs. /ɲ/.
Actually, Spaniards consider ñ to be a letter because that is what we
are taught at school. That's what sets our expectations when we use text
editors.
> The term `letter' (as an alphabetic character) is notoriously imprecise,
> which is the cause of much confusion.
In Spanish, "letter" is precisely defined. We have 27 of them. `ch' and
`ll' were letters in Spanish until 2010, when the Academies decided to
demote them, following widespread public opinion. That will not happen
to ñ anytime soon.
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, (continued)
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, joakim, 2016/02/13
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Juri Linkov, 2016/02/10
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/10
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Juri Linkov, 2016/02/11
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/11
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Joost Kremers, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding,
Óscar Fuentes <=
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Juri Linkov, 2016/02/12
- RE: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Drew Adams, 2016/02/12
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/13
- RE: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Drew Adams, 2016/02/13
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/02/13
- Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding, John Wiegley, 2016/02/18