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Re: Auto-installing packages?
Re: Auto-installing packages?
Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:40:57 -0400
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux)
>>> I use `use-package' to "automatically" install packages for me.
>> How does it work?
>> Doesn't this silently install at startup the packages you specified?
>> I really dislike the "silently" part (and am not too happy about doing
>> all of it at startup either).
> Yep. It runs "package-install". It's not silent, since you get all the
By "silent" I meant that it does it without asking for
permission/confirmation first. I understand that it's a small matter of
programming, but from the UI-side I consider this unacceptable.
> install messages. And, yes, doing it as part of startup is very slow
> iff none of the packages are installed. Also, it breaks startup if a
> package installation fails.
> Still this only happens when you use Emacs on a new machine or in my
> case, when I change Emacs version.
Which all argues in favor of prompting.
>> Another related issue is the "auto-upgrade" part. This one is worse
>> because it seems to inevitably involve some kind of "polling" of
>> a central server, which I find to be a serious privacy issue.
> It doesn't autoupdate, although it's simple to make it do so, but
> automating the "package-refresh, update-all" cycle. A privacy issue,
> yes, maybe, although it's not massively different from running this
I find a constant "call home" done automatically qualitatively very
different from running it manually (e.g. you can make sure it's always
done from your home, for example).
But I wouldn't oppose an option to automatically check for updates in
the background (I'd also be OK with an option to auto-download them, but
I'd oppose auto-installing them updates without an explicit user
>> Indeed, there's the problem of installing those auto-install-autoloads,
> There is a practical issue with handling it *just like* autoloads.
> At the moment, autoloads happens in the command-loop.
Actually, it happens at a much lower-level within `funcall`.
> So, from nearly anywhere.
> That's okay, because if an autoloaded package cannot be autoloaded,
> then Emacs has some pretty major issues.
> Installing a package over a network is a much more failable process.
No doubt. Maybe rather than "prompt the user, install, and retry the
call", we'll need to "abort the current command, then prompt, ...".
> No, you misunderstand me. You don't need to pre-install this way. You
> release "Emacs without ELPA", but include
> "auto-install-autoloads". Emacs will get bigger this way over time.
Ah, make the auto-installs into an upgradable package, yes that makes
a lot of sense.
Re: Auto-installing packages?, Phillip Lord, 2018/09/14
Re: Auto-installing packages?, Perry E. Metzger, 2018/09/14
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, (continued)
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Richard Stallman, 2018/09/14
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Phillip Lord, 2018/09/17
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Richard Stallman, 2018/09/17
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Phillip Lord, 2018/09/18
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Richard Stallman, 2018/09/18
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Phillip Lord, 2018/09/20
- Re: Auto-installing packages?, Richard Stallman, 2018/09/23