On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:35 PM Alan Mackenzie <address@hidden
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 13:35:08 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
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> It should be easy (much smaller than a summer project) to change the C
> code so that a bytecode offset can be extracted from the backtrace.
> The harder and more interesting part is how to propagate source
> information (line numbers and/or lexical variable names and location)
> to byte-code. There are many parts to this, so it's definitely
> possible to get some summer project(s) out of it. E.g. one such
> project is to change the reader so it outputs "fat cons cells" (i.e.
> cons-cells with line-num info), then arrange for that info to survive
> `macroexpand-all` and `cconv.el`. That could already be used to give
> more precise line numbers in bytecompiler warnings.
"More precise line numbers" is a misconstruction, even though I've used
such language myself in the past. Line numbers don't come from a
physical instrument which measures with, say +-1% accuracy. CORRECT
line (and column) numbers are what we need.
A bytecode offset is exact and accurate. Right now this information unavailable. I think the interpreter uses C pointers stored in a register.
So just recording the bytecode offset is a little bit of a slowdown, but not that much. I doubt it would even register as %1 slower.
But just that would open the way for improvements. This is doable by a Summer student - Stefan thinks it trivial. But tas you point out there is overhead in getting it accepted and into GNU Emacs.
Having access to the bytecode offset in a traceback there next are several options. At the lowest level there is just showing that along with a disassembly of the bytecode.
And that I believe that is also doable by a summer student.
Going further are a number of options that folks have mentioned so I won't expand on that.
You will recall that the output of correct line/column numbers for byte
compiler messages is a solved problem. I solved it and presented the
fix in December 2018. This fix was rejected because it made Emacs
In the 3½ years I've been grappling with this problem, I've tried all
sorts of things like "fat cons cells". They don't work, and can't work.
They can't work because large chunks of our software chew up and spit
out cons cells with gay abandon (I'm talking about the byte compiler and
things like cconv.el here). More to the point, users' macros chew up and
spit out cons cells, and we have no control over them. So whilst we
could, with a lot of tedious effort, clean up our own software to
preserve cons cells (believe me, I've tried), this would fail in users'
Since then I've worked a fair bit on creating a "double" Emacs core, one
core being for normal use, the other for byte compiling. There's a fair
amount of work still to do on this, but I know how to do it. The problem
is that I have been discouraged by the prospect of having this solution
vetoed too, since it will make Emacs quite a bit bigger.
I don't think it is fair to give this problem to a group of summer
coders. It is too hard a problem, both technically and politically.
Ok. So do you have a suggestion for what a summer student might do?
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Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).