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Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs
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João Távora |
Subject: |
Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs |
Date: |
Sun, 3 May 2020 12:56:26 +0100 |
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Stefan Kangas <address@hidden> wrote:
> Philippe Vaucher <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > Aliases:
> >
> > split-string aliased as string-split
>
> This is a better name. FWIW, I think the old one should be deprecated too.
People coming from Common Lisp and not Clojure will find 'split-string'
more appropriate.
Now really, I don't think this "prefix with the type name" makes
any sense. When I learned Lisp coming from Java, it bothered me,
yes. But I got over it, quickly. Functions in lisp are generic, or at least
duck-typed. If in Haskell or Ruby the name of the operated-on type
always matches the namespace qualifier, good for them I guess. I know
0 Haskell, but last I checked those Ruby functions aren't top-level
functions, they're methods on a String object. So that just reflects a
different way to look at OO. I often use it when in those languages, but
in Lisp there's a different take to it. So the namespace qualifier doesn't
necessarily bear any direct relation to type of the object being operated
on [1]. Sometimes it does, yes, but it's accidental. Shoving this foreign
convention down Lisp's throat is cruel. And ignorant, sorry. (ignorance
isn't a defect, it's a default). The point of doing it, I suppose, is that it
would bring in lots of newcomers onboard. But shouldn't we rather be
welcoming them by efficiently showing them them the joys of
Javalessness instead? Do we need a manual with pretty pictures
and fancy fonts? Let's do it then.
OK, ranting over. In CL-land, there is the very good split-sequence[3],
which is a generalized split-string (and compatible with the "split the
empty string" case). I propose we get that instead. If we're lucky, that
CL code is directly translatable to Elisp (seems to be from a cursory
inspection). Yeah call it seq-split if you really must drink the kool-aid.
[1]: The lack of a package system in Elisp (not package.el, mind you
that's a different thing) adds to the confusion, but it's really the same.
[2]: http://quickdocs.org/split-sequence/
João
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, (continued)
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Jean-Christophe Helary, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2020/05/05
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Jean-Christophe Helary, 2020/05/05
- RE: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Drew Adams, 2020/05/05
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Stefan Kangas, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs,
João Távora <=
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, 조성빈, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, 조성빈, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, Philippe Vaucher, 2020/05/03
- Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs, João Távora, 2020/05/03