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RE: GNU Emacs raison d'etre
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Drew Adams |
Subject: |
RE: GNU Emacs raison d'etre |
Date: |
Sun, 17 May 2020 00:09:07 -0700 (PDT) |
> > I don't have any experience using 'transient', so
> > I'd need more explanation from you to understand
> > what you meant by that part. (I tried to understand
> > 'transient' from reading [2] and [3], but unfortunately
> > -- and somewhat surprisingly! -- the documentation at
> > those pages does not give a single concrete example
> > of transient's use.)
>
> You press 'C-x', wait a while - and it pops up a
> window with the descriptions of all commands whose
> bindings start with 'C-x'. Same for all other
> "incomplete" key sequences. Looks pretty handy for
> beginners.
https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Icicles_-_Key_Completion#AutomaticKeyCompletion
FWIW. Key completion since 2007.
> > one of the things we should prioritize is teaching
> > newcomers how important those help facilities are
> > and how to use them in a smart way. I'm specifically
> > saying that this is *more important for Emacs than
> > it is for other editors*. ... it's a difference in
> > prioritization: for Emacs users, using that
> > built-in help is more important than it would be in
> > other editors, and the methods and circumstances of
> > using the help are different too. So we should
> > incorporate that fact into how we present Emacs to
> > new users.
> >
> > I believe we'll make better decisions if we keep in
> > mind that "friendly to newcomers" is not, in itself,
> > the primary goal.
>
> It's not like extreme user-friendliness was ever a
> guiding principle here. :-)
I disagree. There is a difference between "extreme
user-friendliness" - which I think is, and should be,
a guiding principle here, and prioritizing "friendly
to newcomers".
Just because something (a great book, a great work of
art or science or craft) doesn't immediately reflect
the preconceptions and baked-in expectations of a
newbie to it, that doesn't mean it's not rewarding
and "friendly" to its "users". Not at all.
- Re: transient, (continued)
- RE: transient, Drew Adams, 2020/05/19
- Re: transient, Arthur Miller, 2020/05/19
- Re: transient, Michael Heerdegen, 2020/05/19
- RE: transient, Stefan Kangas, 2020/05/19
- RE: transient, Drew Adams, 2020/05/19
- which-key, Richard Stallman, 2020/05/19
- RE: GNU Emacs raison d'etre,
Drew Adams <=
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Karl Fogel, 2020/05/20
- RE: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Drew Adams, 2020/05/20
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Karl Fogel, 2020/05/20
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Dmitry Gutov, 2020/05/20
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, tomas, 2020/05/21
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Arthur Miller, 2020/05/21
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, tomas, 2020/05/21
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Arthur Miller, 2020/05/24
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, xristos, 2020/05/21
- Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre, Arthur Miller, 2020/05/24