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Re: Changes for emacs 28

From: Ergus
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 19:07:53 +0200

Hi Elias:

Your link is basically a set of personal opinions with not concise
arguments at all against the "popular" keys that support dark mode use.

They refer to only 1 study; for the eye stress; they suggest to work
less in light screen mode while they present the comfortableness of dark
mode as an addiction problem.

So when you say "quantifiably worse" I hope you refer to something
else. OTOH there are also other "studies" blaming emacs for carpal
tunnel syndrome and even some posts of special keyboards only for
emacs... so not all "studies" are serious.

There actually are serious market studies, company studies, application
studies, ergonomic studies supporting dark mode. But also in the link I
shared there are the statistics of downloaded emacs themes; the
popularity experience of spacemacs or doom-emacs and also other editors
(atom, sublime, VSCode, Android Studio, the new Arduino IDE). Is
everybody wrong?
I won't insist on this because in my experience this doesn't go
anywhere. But when I talked about theme I made in the general way
(font-lock, terminal, bars); because even vim has "better" default
colors. Dark thing was just one part of this.
On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 11:00:39PM +0800, Elias M?rtenson wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M. Szmidt <ams@gnu.org> wrote:

   1) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark theme to make
   emacs feel more modern. Experienced users usually already have a custom
   theme, so they won't be affected. There is actually some statistics
   about downloades themes here:

This would be an utterly disastrous change.  As an experienced user, I
do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of Emacs.

Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone.

Also, while dark background is popular right now, it's not necessarily
better. Apart from the fact that there is actual science showing that dark
backgrounds are worse for one's eyes, I believe the current trend is merely
the pendulum is swinging back.

Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the terminal era. Then
monitors became better and white background was finally usable. Now, people
who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants to change things for
the sake of change, so that is now popular, even though it's actually
quantifiably worse.

This Wired article on the topic contains links to actual research on this:


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