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Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28"
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Alfred M. Szmidt |
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Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" |
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Wed, 09 Sep 2020 15:01:44 -0400 |
> I would find it entierly unusable (I've tried it several times) and I
> know several people who use Emacs would find the same, so I do not
> find it at all an exaggeration.
Could you present some specific scenarios in which it works badly for
you? That would enable us to go deeper than "I love it" / "I hate
it."
Sure, here is very simple example on how unintuitive the mode is from
the point of a Emacs user. Installed undo-tree-mode, and enabled it.
In an empty buffer I write,
foo bar baz
And issue C-x C-u -- the first thing it does is take over half the
screen and switches the buffer to a "undo tree visualizer" -- I just
want to undo whatever I did.
I try doing C-x C-u again -- that doesn't work, since the
undo-tree-visualizer mode doesn't support that binding. Am I supposed
to move up and down to replace the text in this new buffer? Seems so;
fair enough -- but that will make recording macros that change text
using undo very peculiar. At this point, I disabled it out of
frustration.
Now how you would go about explainin this mode to a new Emacs user is
beyond me; since it involves several concepts that a beginner would
not have become used to to -- just the notion that doing undo will make
all kind of windows pop up is quite strange.
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