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Re: cc-mode fontification feels random
From: |
Alan Mackenzie |
Subject: |
Re: cc-mode fontification feels random |
Date: |
Wed, 9 Jun 2021 20:20:26 +0000 |
Hello, Daniel.
On Wed, Jun 09, 2021 at 12:05:27 -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> On June 9, 2021 11:23:04 AM Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
> > Hello, Eli.
> > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 21:25:49 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >>> From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
> >>> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:11:21 -0700
> >>> Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, acm@muc.de
> >>> The whole point of fontification is to provide visual hints about
> >>> the semantic structure of source code. If cc-mode can't do that
> >>> reliably, my preference would be for it to not do it at all.
> >>> Fontification of a type-using expression shouldn't change if I move
> >>> the definition of that type from one file to another.
> >> I think we agree. Except that for me, it should also not try if it
> >> cannot do it quickly enough, not only reliably enough.
> > Quickly and reliably enough are desirable things, but in competition
> > with eachother. Reliably enough is a lot easier to measure, quickly
> > enough depends on the machine, the degree of optimisation, and above
> > all, the user's expectations.
> >>> IMHO, we should rely on LSP to figure out what symbols are types, and if
> >>> a LSP isn't available, we shouldn't try to guess.
> > "Shouldn't try to guess" means taking a great deal of
> > font-lock-type-faces out of CC Mode. I don't honestly think the end
> > result would be any better than what we have at the moment.
> I think it would be better in fact. The whole point of fontification is to
> provide visual clues about the function of a word in a buffer.
That's one of the points. Another point is to provide colour, thus
giving the eye some pattern to orient around. I think its most important
function is to point out comments, thus making things like
if (foo)
bar (); /* comment about bar
else
baz (); /* comment about baz */
undangerous. For that case, fine distinctions about types are
irrelevant.
> If I can't rely on font lock type face actually distinguishing types
> from non-types, what's the point?
Because the information about types, though imperfect, is nevertheless
highly useful.
> If fontification isn't reliable, it's not syntax highlighting, but
> instead a kewl rainbow effect.
Now you seem to be saying that either font lock has to be 100% right, or
it's wholly useless. Is that a fair summary of your position? If so, do
you disable font lock mode for CC Mode and other modes which can't
guarantee perfect font locking?
> ISTM we can only correctly do fontification of type references with the
> help of LSP.
I don't think it would be sensible to try to do it otherwise.
> Without LSP support, I'd rather we not try to get it right, sometimes
> get it wrong, and make font-lock-type-face unreliable. (We can
> correctly fontify declarations and definitions I think.)
That's a rather negative way of putting things, which is a bit indefinite
and wishy-washy. You could instead try to specify which tokens should get
font-lock-type-face and which shouldn't, thus giving something concrete
to discuss. I think this will be difficult to do well, and may lead to
the result which I alluded to above.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, (continued)
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Stefan Monnier, 2021/06/11
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Daniel Colascione, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Stefan Monnier, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Daniele Nicolodi, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, tomas, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Stefan Monnier, 2021/06/12
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Daniel Colascione, 2021/06/09
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/06/09
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Stefan Monnier, 2021/06/09
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Daniel Colascione, 2021/06/10
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/06/10
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Daniel Colascione, 2021/06/09
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Alan Mackenzie, 2021/06/19
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Alan Mackenzie, 2021/06/19
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/06/08
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Stefan Monnier, 2021/06/08
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, Richard Stallman, 2021/06/08
- Re: cc-mode fontification feels random, martin rudalics, 2021/06/09