Re: python minor-mode

[Barry Warsaw]

Hi TV, good to hear from you too.  Hi also to Stefan and Andreas.

I agree it would be good to find a way to merge the functionality of the two 
modes, but of course it’s more than that because the variables and settings 
would also have to merge.  It would be a huge bit of work, and definitely not 
something that I would have any bandwidth for.  python-mode.el’s been around 
for 30 years now, almost as long as Python itself.  It’s sad that these two 
modes have existed independently for so long.

Cheers,
-Barry

> On Mar 21, 2022, at 09:09, T.V Raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
> 
> Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> writes:
> 
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> Good to hear from you after a long time.
> 
> I recall that at one time, there was a similar split between emacs'
> built-in C-mode vs the much-enhanced cc-mode  that you and others had
> developed; eventually cc-mode and its goodness landed in Emacs.I'm
> optimistically hoping for the same for Python:-)
> 
> 
> I'm sure there are still differences between python.el and
> python-mode.el though in the last 10 years or so, python.el has grown
> significantly in size.
> 
> I mostly use elpy to pull together all the various emacs/python goodies
> and after getting very confused between python.el and python-mode.el
> eventually uninstalled python-mode.el so that I could avoid getting
> tripped up; for better or worse, I've not noticed too much difference
> and it's actually nice to have one less thing to worry about when being
> surprized by some unexpected behavior.
> 
> With respect to code formatting etc, I now achieve that via external
> tools like yapf that elpy wrappers, and have the formatting operation
> happen on each save.
> 
> 
>> I haven’t looked at python.el in a long while but last time I did, it was 
>> not PEP 8 compliant.
>> 
>> -Barry
>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 06:37, T.V Raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de> writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The bigger question:
>>> 
>>> There were clearly reasons for the existence of these two in the past
>>> --- python.el and python-mode.el -- do those reasons still exist. They
>>> each have almost similar functionality -- and it may be worthwhile for
>>> some wise heads to come together and create a single, consolidated
>>> python package for emacs.
>>> 
>>> I can vouch from my own use that this split causes massive confusion.
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Currently, both python.el and python-mode.el define a minor-mode
>>>> called "python-mode". Which may create some confusion. Wouldn't it be
>>>> more natural if both files provide modes according to their filename?
>>>> I.e. python.el should establish "python" as minor-mode, python-mode.el
>>>> sends "python-mode".
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Andreas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
>>> ♇ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮
>> 
> 
> --
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
> ♈ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮

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