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Re: Emacs packages, GitHub and software freedom

From: Yoni Rabkin
Subject: Re: Emacs packages, GitHub and software freedom
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2022 18:31:25 -0400
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1.90 (gnu/linux)

Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

> Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org> writes:
>> Savannah is obviously a good host, but it's not newbie friendly IMHO.
>> FSF has a plan for a new forge.  Let's wait and see what they give us.
> They do? Any link to information on that?
> Two points to note which I think are relevant
> 1. This was all brought up quite some time ago and RMS basically came
> down saying that on balance, we have to accept people will host packages
> on github and that being hosted there was not to be an impediment to
> being included in ELPA or nonGNU ELPA. This might seem contradictory
> given FSF statements about github, but the world is full of
> contradiction. The FSF even has  a link to Paypal on their donations
> page despite their position on not encouraging the use of non-free JS. 
> 2. Until there is a solution which does provide high level functionality
> similar to that provided by github, you just yelling at the wind. If you
> really want people to stop using github for Emacs packages, you need to
> either look at developing higher level functionality which sits on top
> of sevannah or help add functionality to other forges, like gitlab or
> sourceHut so that these other forges become as appealing to these
> developers.   
> 3. If you try to control where packages are hosted/developed by
> restricting access to ELPA/nonGNU ELPA, all you will do is encourage
> repositories like MELPA, which provide no assurance regarding package
> licenses. At least ELPA/nonGNU ELPA are all libre. licensed. 

My understanding of their request, is that Eli asks that this discussion
continue on the emacs-tangents mailing list.

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