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Re: Abysmal state of GTK build

From: Po Lu
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:53:25 +0800
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux)

Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com> writes:

> Indeed, I checked and you are correct. That puts X11 demise on 10+ year
> timeline.

What makes you think the GTK developers will be able to dictate what
people will use?

Remember that if the world revolved around their decisions, we would all
be clowns occupying a peanut gallery.

> That is unfortunate. Considering HiDPI + mixed DPI support is
> non-existent in X11, I was really hoping Wayland feature bulimia to be
> solved/on-way-to-be-solved problem by now.

Why do you think that's so?  On X, the X server says nothing about the
scale of a window, screen, or the part of a screen taken by a monitor.
A program can simply rescale itself as it moves across different

I think the reason people think HiDPI support doesn't work on X is that
it doesn't work in Xwayland, which is strictly a problem with that, and
is not seen on bare-metal X.

> That is fair. From what I understand Wayland support on non-Linux
> systems is still imperfect at best so X11 support is here to
> stay. But, can we have it as non-default and get away with it for the
> most part?

No.  AFAIK it was recently discovered that less than 10% of Firefox
users on non-macOS Unix systems were using Wayland or Xwayland.

> Apologies for simple (and possibly stupid) questions, but GTK
> situation has more thorns than I previously thought. Considering WSL2
> will have more people using Emacs via Wayland/Pgtk making defaults
> more important.

I don't think supporting the PGTK build on MS Windows is a good idea at

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